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Democrats' comments may come back to haunt them
USAToday ^ | 07/13/03 | Richard Benedetto

Posted on 07/14/2003 6:30:00 AM PDT by bedolido

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:40:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON

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TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004; comments; democrats; haunt; may
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To: bedolido
Democrats should be cautious in their public statements on Iraq, no matter how badly they think the war's aftermath is going.

Here is what the editor of The New Republic had to say in a recent editorial in the Wall Street Journal:

If the Democratic Party intends to run against a popular war, its leaders might wish to recall the lesson of a Democrat who ran against an unpopular war. He lost 49 states.

The full article can be found here:

The Neo-McGovernites ^

21 posted on 07/14/2003 6:53:06 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: ConservativeDude
having said that, i'm not sure that this wasn't a pretty big screw up, objectively, by the admin. we'll probably survive politically, but as a matter of statesmanship...i'm not sure this was a realy winner. thoughts?

I think the Admin pushed ahead agressively for the war, and for that reason alone would be subjected to criticism for any screw up at all, whether in intelligence, military action, political or whathaveyou. It so happens it is a piece of intelligence.

Was it a screwup? I didn't think it was a big deal. I saw Rumsfeld on MtP yesterday and I thought he had solid answers. It's been 10 weeks since major ops ended in Iraq. I guess I would say I am still witholding judgement and waiting to see what happens in the world.

22 posted on 07/14/2003 6:58:43 AM PDT by Huck
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To: redlipstick
USA Today generally does a nice job, IMHO, of presenting balanced stories.
23 posted on 07/14/2003 7:00:43 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Tom Bombadil
And speaking of dishonor. A couple of months ago there was footage of soldiers going off to Iraq with their families cheering them. Diane Feinstein made a statement to the effect "They're cheering now, but they won't be cheering when they start coming back in body bags." I thought, why doesn't she say "And I'll get your little dog too."

Anyway, the old witch missed the point that the families were proud of the troops, and scared for them too. The families were not cheering for them because they were going to war.

24 posted on 07/14/2003 7:01:03 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: bedolido
no matter how badly they think the war's aftermath is going.

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:45 PM

Subject: Open Current Events Letter From A U.S. Army Major In Iraq

It has been a while since I have written to my friends at First Lutheran Church about what's really going on here in Iraq. The news you watch on TV is exaggerated, sensationalized and selective. Good news doesn't sell.

The stuff you don't hear about on CNN? Let's start with Electrical Power production in Iraq. The day after the war was declared over, there was nearly 0 power being generated in Iraq; 45 days later, in a partnership between the Army, the Iraqi people and some private companies, there are now 3200 mega watts (Mw) of power produced daily, or 1/3 of the total national potential. Downed power lines ( big stuff, 400 Kilovolt (Kv) and 132 Kv) are being repaired and are now about 70% complete.

Then there is water purification.

In central Iraq between Baghdad and Mosul, home of the 4th Infantry Division, water treatment was spotty at best. The facilities existed, but the controls were never implemented. Simple chemicals like Chlorine for purification and Alum (Aluminum Sulfate) for sediment settling (the Tigris River is about as clear as the Mississippi River) were in very short supply. Or not used at all. And when chlorine was used, it was metered by guessing.

So some people got pool water to drink and some people got water with lots of little things floating around in it. We are slowly but surely solving that. Contracts for repairs to facilities [that are only 50% or less operational ] are being let. Chemicals are being delivered, although we don't have the metering problem solved yet (... but again, it's only been 45 days).

How about oil and fuel?

Well the war was all about oil wasn't it? You bet it was. It was all about oil for the Iraqi people ! They have no other income. They produce nothing else. Oil is 95% of the Iraqi GNP. For this nation to survive, it MUST sell oil.

The Refinery at Bayji is at 75% of capacity in producing gasoline. The crude oil pipeline between Kirkuk (Oil Central) and Bayji will be repaired by tomorrow (2 June). LPG, what all Iraqi's use to cook and heat with, is at 103% of normal production. And WE, the US ARMY, are insuring it is being distributed FAIRLY to ALL Iraqi's.

You have to remember that only 3 months ago, ALL these things were used by the Sadam regime as weapons against the population to keep them in line. If your town misbehaved, gasoline shipments stopped .. LPG pipelines and trucks stopped .. water was turned off .. power was turned off.

Now, until exports start again, every drop of gasoline produced goes to the Iraqi people. Crude oil production is being stored and the country is at 75% capacity right now. They need to export or stop pumping soon, ... so thank the UN for that delay.

ALL LPG goes to the Iraqi people EVERYWHERE. And water is being purified as best it can be, but at least it's running all the time to everyone.

Are we still getting shot at? Yep. Are American Soldiers still dying? Yep, about 1 a day from my outfit, the 4th Infantry Division, most in accidents. But dead is dead.

If we are doing all this for the Iraqis, why are they shooting at us?

The general Iraqi population isn't shooting at us. There are still bad guys, who won't let go of the old regime. They are Ba'ath party members (read Nazi Party, but not as nice) who have known nothing but .. and supported nothing but .. the regime all of their lives. These are the thugs for the regime that caused many to disappear in the night. They have no other skills. At least the Nazis had jobs and a semblance of a national infrastructure that they could go back to after the war, .. as plumbers, managers, engineers, etc. These people have no skills .. but terror. They are simply applying their skills. But we are applying ours. There is no Christian way to say this .. but they must be eliminated and we are doing so with all the efficiency we can muster.

Our troops are shot at literally everyday by small arms and Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs). We respond and 100% of the time, the Ba'ath party guys come out with the short end of the stick.

The most amazing thing to me is that they don't realize that if they stopped shooting at us, we would focus on .. fixing things more quickly .. and then leave back to the land of the Big PX. And the more they shoot at us, the longer we will have to stay.

Lastly, all of you please realize that 90% of the damage you see on TV was caused by Iraqi's, NOT by us and not by the war. Sure we took out a few bridges from military necessity, we took out a few power and phone lines to disrupt communications, sure we drilled a few palaces and government headquarters buildings with 2000 lb. laser guided bombs (I work 100 yards from where two hit the Tikrit Palace), he had plenty to spare. But, ANY damage you see to schools, hospitals, power generation facilities, refineries, pipelines, was ALL caused either by .. the Iraqi Army in its death throes .. or from much of the Iraqi civilians looting the places.

Could we have prevented it? Nope.

We can and do it now, but 45 days ago the average soldier was fighting for his own survival .. and trying to get to his objectives as fast as possible. He was lucky to know what town he was in much less be informed enough to know .. who owned what .. or have the power to stop a 1,000 people from looting and burning a building by himself.

The United States and our Allies, especially Great Britain, are doing a very noble thing here. We stuck our necks out on the world's chopping block to free an entire people from the grip of a horrible terror that was beyond belief.

I've already talked the weapons of mass destruction thing to death, .. bottom line, who cares? This country was one big conventional weapons ammo dump anyway. We have probably destroyed more ground weapons and ammo in the last 30 days than the US Army has ever fired in the last 30 years (Remember, this is a country the size of Texas), so drop the WMD argument as the reason we came here ... if we find them GREAT.. if we don't, SO WHAT?

I'm living in a "guest palace" on a 500 acre palace compound with 20 palaces with like facilities built in half a dozen towns all over Iraq that were built for one man. Drive down the street and out into the country side 5 miles away, like I have, and see all the families of 10 or more, all living in mud huts and herding the two dozen sheep on which their very existence depends, ...then tell me why you think we are here.

WMD ? ...important .. have to find 'em wherever they may be (.. in Syria?), but not OUR real motivator. Don't let it be yours either.

Respectfully,

(name deleted) 4th Infantry Division

25 posted on 07/14/2003 7:01:55 AM PDT by xzins
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To: Lee'sGhost
"Africa intel was only one part of the overall comfirming info, and that they still stand by the original premis. "

I totally concur with that...however, I would say that the inescapable tone of the coverage was that we could find what Hans Idiot and his team of ding dongs could not find, duped as they were by the Iraqis (I still believe that characerization is self-evident, incidentally).

Perhaps that was not a realistic expectation...which is fair enough. However, I don't think enough effort was made before hand to squash expectations. I think that was b/c the admin believed that they would turn up more concrete things than have appeared. I believe the admin is a bit nervous.

I think attacking Iraq was a darn good thing.

However, I think the "we'll find WMD" justification which played at least some of the role in the justification in the mind of the public was overstated and underdelivered.

I think that creates a legitimacy problem for any government.

I could be totally wrong, however.
26 posted on 07/14/2003 7:05:37 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Bob J; Coop
I'll say this for USATODAY, they had the best newspaper coverage of the Iraqi war.

And Benedetto is their polling expert. I've never seen him write anything so blunt. I'm impressed.
27 posted on 07/14/2003 7:09:37 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: bedolido
IMHO, some of the best commentary in favor of going after Saddam and the Saddam-ites
has come from former Clinton Administration official Kenneth Pollack.
28 posted on 07/14/2003 7:16:25 AM PDT by VOA
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To: ConservativeDude
"However, I think the "we'll find WMD" justification which played at least some of the role in the justification in the mind of the public was overstated and underdelivered."

I wouldn't go quite that far, but as I said, I can understand such concerns. My concern has always been the fact that the admin was so adament about the Intel you have to wonder why the Intel wasn't as good in terms of knowing what was going on with the stuff during the last few months leading up to the war.

But one thing about Dubya, he's shown himself to be about 10 times smarter than the libs and the press give him credit for. I can't help but to keep coming back to the idea that they are purposely not looking in the right spots so the Dims can hang themselves. Sure hope I'm right.
29 posted on 07/14/2003 7:18:57 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
But one thing about Dubya, he's shown himself to be about 10 times smarter than the libs and the press give him credit for.

this is an important point for me, also...i absolutely agree
30 posted on 07/14/2003 7:23:25 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: redlipstick
Benedetto knows the ticket. The current Democrat Party is the party of USA traitors and treason! It needs to be destroyed by the American people at the ballot box next year! End of story! Hillary has shot her wad, the book is no longer selling. The only fools that purchased the book were her Democrat vermin. The book has failed as miserably as did her ally's Sid Blumenthal's, "The Clinton Years"! Hillary is not going anywhere! If you think I'm wrong, give it about six months or so, and see what the "experts" have to say about the impact of her book, "Living History"!
31 posted on 07/14/2003 7:26:57 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: bedolido
Like moths driven to a flame, they have viciously attacked the White House's admission that the president's statement, made in last January's State of the Union speech, that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa was based on false intelligence.

Huh? When did the White House ever say that the president's statement was based on false intelligence? Can't the media read? Geez mon.

32 posted on 07/14/2003 7:27:28 AM PDT by PMCarey
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To: bedolido
Right now the Dems have the look of a football team that's down 63-0 right after half-time and they realize their only chance is to go for the Hail Mary pass on offense, sacks on every defensive play, and eye gouges all the time. Will they play dirty. Of course they will, and more so than usual this time.
33 posted on 07/14/2003 7:30:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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To: redlipstick
"From USATODAY? Wow. Great find, thanks for posting it."

Richard Benedetto is OOSA-Today's token "thinker." While he may get the DNC Daily Talking Points FAX, he doesn't echo it like so many other sycophants in the media. You will normally find his articles well thought out and largely devoid of inflammatory spin. I know, an anamoly for that paper.

Michael

34 posted on 07/14/2003 7:36:10 AM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: Bob J
Keep in mind that USA Today acts as a campaign advisor to teh dems. On the surface it looks like a slam, but all it is is advice on how to win.

During Democratic primaries and their runups, it's typical for the candidates to run even to the left of their enabling lefty media.

USA today in particular has to straddle the fence somewhat because they are trying to appeal to a broader readership than say the NYT, who has definitely decided to carve out the looney left niche for itself.

35 posted on 07/14/2003 7:38:53 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Bob J
I agree - I was about to post the same thing.
36 posted on 07/14/2003 7:57:15 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Bob J
Perhaps USA Today is a Dem cheerleeder, but Richard Benedetto offers some thoughtful columns and is not a knee-jerk liberal.
37 posted on 07/14/2003 8:00:04 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: Chi-townChief
WOW!!!!!!!
38 posted on 07/14/2003 8:31:57 AM PDT by Mfkmmof4
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If Dubya is playing rope-a-dope with the Rats about the supposedly missing WMDs... the outcome could end up making the the Rat party go extinct for a generation or more. (Psst-- whisper, it's a secret; don't let the Rats hear, be still my beating heart).
39 posted on 07/14/2003 8:48:05 AM PDT by hang 'em (mine the borders, bounties on illegals, bulldoze the mosques, deport, deport, deport!)
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To: wayoverontheright
Fair enough.
40 posted on 07/14/2003 9:21:34 AM PDT by Bob J (Freerepublic.net...where it's always a happening....)
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