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Why we cheat - ( Women )
New York Post ^ | July 13, 2003 | Susan Edelman

Posted on 07/13/2003 11:34:31 AM PDT by UnklGene

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To: connectthedots
I have to be very careful when I talk about Hultgren, because I was an instructor. I could say things that would give my identity away very fast.

Kara's problem was that she was a fine A-6 pilot. The A-6 is a simple airplane to fly, and it's systems are not as complex as in the Tomcat. Once you have a qualified Naval Aviator, it is very tough for one of them to swallow that they are not good enough for ANY airplane. It was very hard to find anyone good enough to handle the cat most of the time. The people who could were naturals, like me. Some people could anticipate what the engines were up to when they were unhappy about one thing or another, and some did not see a problem until they got bit in the ass.

On the day that Kara died, she ignored procedures, tried to correct in a way that all F-14 pilots know is wrong. You do not use heavy rudder at high angles and low speed. She had gone wide right in the groove, and was trying to correct back left for lineup. 19 out of 20 pilots would tell you that a TF-30 engine is likely to quit, because yawing to the left cut the airflow to the left engine. She should have unloaded and gone around, but she was in full-stupid mode at that time, and went full burner on the other engine before her nose was down, and the engine pitched her over into the drink. I am not trying to disrespect her in any way, but there is a lot going on in the Tomcat cockpit, and you must focus, or you will die.

There are a few women who can handle the Cat with style and grace and have earned their seats, but that is maybe 2 in 10 best guess. Hultgren had enough downs to lose her wings if not for some very lax attitudes, and some pressure from Congress to get women in those seats. If she had been grounded, she would have likely pulled another Tailhook, to the detriment of all of us. We lost enough good men because some woman wanted revenge over not getting the ride she wanted. I could say more, but that's already too much.

121 posted on 07/13/2003 5:36:50 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
well in my opinion, these women are pretty dumb to begin with. What married woman having an affair would respond to an ad at the Y....she doesn't know if her hubby posted or had a private eye post that ad and oh yeah...she gonna respond and tell a total stranger all her dirty little secrets????? she had better hope she is really good in bed, because intellect is not her strong suit.
122 posted on 07/13/2003 5:39:02 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: patton
I am starting to wonder what daemons haunt you.

When I am near sleep, they look like little dwarfs in wedding dresses, hovering over my bed. They shake their stubby little fingers at me, and point towards their empty ring finger. They give me nightsweats. Help me.

123 posted on 07/13/2003 5:39:38 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Just_de_facts
Petty officer? Hardly. NCO's do not fly.
124 posted on 07/13/2003 5:41:31 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: wimpycat
That's what's so great about being married. Sex isn't only allowed...it's actively encouraged. Even God doesn't mind.

In the Bible, God's relationship with his people is very often associated with the intimate sexual relationship between a husband and wife. Sex within marriage should not only be physical, but is also to reflect the spiritual relationship between husband and wife. A fulfilling sexual relationship between a Christian husband and wife is illustrative of the intimate nature of the relationship God desires to have with his children.

125 posted on 07/13/2003 5:41:37 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: viaveritasvita
From C.S. LEWIS, THE FOUR LOVES: "To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly be broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even to an animal. Wrap your heart carefully 'round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements; lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket -- safe, dark, motionless, airless -- it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable...There only place outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and pertubations of love is Hell...."

Excellent quote ... thanks.

126 posted on 07/13/2003 5:41:51 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: connectthedots
Ok, if you say so. It is an interesting way to make that point. It sounded to me like he was saying they are swingers. ;-)
127 posted on 07/13/2003 5:46:39 PM PDT by krb (the statement on the other side of this tagline is false)
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To: chasio649
>>...american women maybe...not all women....<<

I hope not.

128 posted on 07/13/2003 5:48:24 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Freepers, a fierce warlike tribe from FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Pukin Dog
>>"The decisions that drunk fighter pilots make in a bar in the middle of the night, should not be questioned by civilians."<<

LOL! That's funny!
129 posted on 07/13/2003 5:48:34 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (Should these idiotic decisions be questioned by ANYONE?? *<:oD)
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you think the U.S. Navy made a mistake in retiring the A-6? It had some pretty amazing capabilities. If you ever read the book "Flight of the Intruder", the incident of the A-6 returning to the carrier and the pilot or weapons officer dying actually happened in either my dad's sqadron or another A-6 squadron aboard the U.S.S. Midway.
130 posted on 07/13/2003 5:49:41 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: UnklGene
"No matter what the feminists say, women want love. They want emotional attachment and bonding."

Since when have feminists NOT believed this? Guess I don't know because I'm not one. But the latter part of this statement is true. Women DO want the emotional attachment and bonding. But women also have to understand that men aren't wired like we are, and generally show these qualities in much different ways than we do.

131 posted on 07/13/2003 5:49:58 PM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious, and everyone wants to catch it!)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Barash found her sexually active subjects by posting ads in YWCAs and asking women who responded to refer friends who were having affairs.

Hey - I just figured out how to end this "no social life" thing that I've got going on.

132 posted on 07/13/2003 5:50:16 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (LORD, WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?)
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To: HughSeries
Correction. More women are openly admitting it.

But - are they telling the truth? Please find me that stat where they're honest 100% of the time...

133 posted on 07/13/2003 5:50:59 PM PDT by Libloather (Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which I desire - ewww...)
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To: krb
Ok, if you say so. It is an interesting way to make that point. It sounded to me like he was saying they are swingers. ;-)

No they aren't, but your comment about possibly being swingers would actually apply to another poster on this thread.

134 posted on 07/13/2003 5:51:58 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Pukin Dog
When I am near sleep, they look like little dwarfs in wedding dresses, hovering over my bed. They shake their stubby little fingers at me, and point towards their empty ring finger. They give me nightsweats. Help me.

Too much Rebel Yell...

135 posted on 07/13/2003 5:53:12 PM PDT by Libloather (Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which I desire - ewww...)
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To: BRL
I think your comment is VERY perceptive & wise.

We have reaised a couple of generations of perpetual adolescents.

Doc

136 posted on 07/13/2003 5:53:12 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay ( 2)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Go here and you can get lots of em, legally!
137 posted on 07/13/2003 5:54:01 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Pukin Dog
Navy Chiefs don't appreciate being insulted by being referred to as officers, either. ;)
138 posted on 07/13/2003 5:56:11 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Pukin Dog
In nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sanctus, ego absolvo tu.

Ete, misse est.

Now get married - you have been absolved.

139 posted on 07/13/2003 5:58:25 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: kstewskis
It's funny, 'stew, but when I read his post, I thot he was talking about Eve 'cuz she did start it!!!
140 posted on 07/13/2003 5:58:59 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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