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To: meenie
I knew Clinton was an idiot, so his actions didn't shock me a bit. Only the US public's reaction shocked me.

Not a single President in my lifetime has disappointed me more than Bush. He's an out and out leftist.

$40 billion to the Department of Education.
$15 billion to Africa
$200 million to the PA
$400 billion medication augmentation to Medical

CFR...
Open borders...

Who supports this stuff? Hillary? Ted? Tom? The teacher's unions? Black race baiters? Illegal immigrant advocates enmeshed in Marxist ideology?

Damn, this man is left of some Democrats.
10 posted on 07/11/2003 2:04:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
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11 posted on 07/11/2003 3:51:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: DoughtyOne
IMO, Conservatives lose in 2004, if either the Republicans or the Democrats win the Presidency, as things stand now.

All we can do is stand back and let the Socialists of either party do their worst and join the Conservative backlash in the mid-term elections in 2006 and the Presidential election in 2008.

The worst of the first 2 years of Bill and Hillary will pale in comparison to 2004 to 2006 under the present Democrat or Republican (leadership???).

12 posted on 07/11/2003 5:31:12 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the *Land of Opportunity*, it*s the *Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists*!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
But then a Democrat will get elected, which means...well, pretty much the same as Bush getting re-elected, but you won't get to feel all smug and self-righteous.
15 posted on 07/11/2003 5:57:07 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: DoughtyOne
$40 billion to the Department of Education.

$15 billion to Africa

$200 million to the PA

$400 billion medication augmentation to Medical

Don't forget:

$185 billion farm bill

I’m with you. I cannot vote for a president who grants this amnesty. I also cannot vote for a president who implements a guest worker program before addressing (at a minimum) these concerns:

- How will the illegals already in the country be rounded up and returned to their country before the guest worker program is implemented.

- What will be done to secure the border to ensure only guest workers will be entering the US and end all other illegals from entering?

- How will the guest workers be tracked? We already do not have the capability to track those with valid visas who enter our country.

- - How will the guest workers be returned to their country after their employment has ended? At whose cost? How will they be tracked to ensure deportation?

- How long do they stay in America looking for work when one job has ended before being shipped back to their country?

- Will the guest worker’s family be allowed to come to the country with the guest worker – even if the family members are not guest workers (mothers, children…) If so, then how will they be returned once the guest worker is out of work? You know the liberals will not want to deport a kid who has begun school in the US. They already don't want to deport illegals who have kids in school.

- What security /health checks will be conducted on guest workers & their families (assuming they will also be allowed to enter with the guest worker)?

- What if a guest worker has a child here in America – will these kids automatically become citizens (anchor babies)?

- Will guest workers & their families receive social services while in the US?

- Will the guest workers be subject to the labor law, benefits & taxes of US citizens? If so, then their wages will rise to be competitive to US workers – then why would anybody hire a guest worker who cannot speak English and pay them the same wage as a citizen? Guest workers will not be needed because the wages will rise and become attractive for Americans to take the jobs.

- How many guest workers will be allowed into the US & at what point (what rate of national unemployment or other factor) will the program be scaled back or eliminated? How will those “surplus” workers be sent back home to open jobs for US citizens? (BTW this assumes the canard that illegals are here to do jobs Americans won’t do which I do not believe. It is merely that they currently work for a cash wage without taxes & benefits which, I assume will not be allowed under the guest worker program.)

I don’t know if you have read this article & the comments:

Left Turn: Is the GOP conservative?

At a time when the Republicans control the White House, Senate, House, and have a conservative majority (usually) on the USSC, I would expect more of a conservative agenda to be passed.

30 posted on 07/11/2003 9:37:39 AM PDT by gubamyster
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