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To: Southack
Post the legal text in the Patriot Act with which **you** maintain is unConstitutional.
-Southack-


I'll grant that its written to conform [barely] to todays federal standards of 'constitutionality'. - Most of which have little basis in the actual words of our constitution, or its original principles.

Look below at the 'acts' it changes.. -- Most of them are blatant infringements on our liberties in themselves:

*Bank Secrecy Act
*Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
*Electronic Communications Privacy Act *Family Education Rights and Privacy Act
*Fair Credit Reporting Act
*Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act *Immigration and Nationality Act
*Money Laundering Act
*Money Laundering Control Act
*Right to Financial Privacy Act
*Pen Register and Trap and Trace Statute
*Wiretap Statute (Title III

Thus, imo, we have constitutional insult piled on injuries.
469 posted on 07/11/2003 10:40 PM PDT by tpaine



You 'mock' the unrefuted truth of the above constitutional infringements..
574 posted on 07/13/2003 6:28:13 AM PDT by tpaine
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1992 Presidential Election Results - Colorado

Presidential
Candidate
Vice Pres
Candidate
Political
Party
Popular Vote Electoral Vote
William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democrat 629,681 40.13% 8
George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 562,850 35.87% 0
H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 366,010 23.32% 0
Andre Marrou Nancy Lord Libertarian 8,669 0.55% 0
Other - -

Because 23% of Colorado's Conservative voters chose Perot in '92, the larger slice of the 8-vote Electoral Pie went to Clinton. Turnout was just over 60%.

575 posted on 07/13/2003 7:37:59 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: tpaine
"You 'mock' the unrefuted truth of the above constitutional infringements.."

No, I'm simply mocking you avoiding debating the **actual** text of the Patriot (and other) Acts, while you instead repeat urban myths about such laws.

You see, you can take the actual legal text from any of those laws that you mention, and I'll be happy to debate the Constitutionality of any particular sentence, passage, paragraph, section, or entire document.

And I can be happy debating such things because I don't fear the truth.

In contrast, the sole reason that you won't post the actual legal text of any of the Acts that you "feel" are unconstitutional is that you do fear the truth. Of course, that's not abnormal. Most people do fear the unknown, and you haven't read the actual legal text of any of the documents that you are criticizing, I'd wager.

So rather than debate the actual legal text, you repeat, tirelessly, what you've been programmed by various anti-American masters to spew forth, i.e. that all of those laws are unconstitutional (which is incorrect).

And what causes me to mock you is that you can't see that you are being **used** as a tool to propagate the Big Lie (i.e. a lie told so often that people start to accept it as fact).

Of course, that's normal human behavior. Tell people often enough that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, and not only will people who haven't even read the Patriot Act's actual legal text start to believe that it is unconstitutional, but they will further go on to find **comfort** in repeating that myth when they do it themselves.

And that fact is worthy of mocking. It's fun to mock those who repeat myths as if they were facts. It's fun to mock people who don't even realize that they are being used. It's fun to mock people who find more comfort in believing something that has been told to them rather than doing the actual research themselves.

And that's why I mock you.

586 posted on 07/13/2003 10:32:19 AM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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