Left Turn: Is the GOP conservative?

National Review ^ | July 23, 2003 issue | National Review Editorial Board

[Southack]

"Word from my sources at the RNC say he's the front runner for nomination as a Supreme."

Then you've been had.

Bush's sources don't leak.

Anyone who claims to have an inside Bush source is either delusional or manipulative.

Bush's staff and confidants, those in the know, don't leak.

[Jim Robinson]

By the way, why would you be willing to believe anything written by John Dean? Or by the New York Times, Washington Post, et al? Why continue pushing the liberal/marxist propaganda? Why use the Democrat talking points to smear our candidates? This is why the third party types get banned from FR. We can't tell the difference between your regurgitated marxist propaganda and DUh troll reguritated marxist propaganda. You use the same marxist propaganda! When you guys go to bed with Democrats/marxists/communists/anarchists, etc, you've gone to bed with the enemy of the Constitution. When you go to bed with the enemy of the Constitution you've lost any sympathy from me. If you're gonna fight us with marxist dogma, you might as well do it from DU or the NYT forum or an anti-freeper forum or an anarchist's forum or anywhere other than here. How many times to I have to tell you people? It's NOT welcome here!

[finnman69]

We now have the Whitehouse and a majority in both houses for one of the very rare times in our history. And we JUST got there! And barely got there! And it took a huge struggle and a historic Supreme Court battle to block the Democrats attempted coup! And we're barely hanging onto a slim majority as it is and it's not enough to overcome the liberals plus the moderates. We've got to continue pounding away at increasing the majority and dropping off the Rinos in the primaries as we can.

There is absolutely NO other way!

This will take several election cycles. The game has barely began and some of you want to abandon the field and surrender to the opponents at the first sign of adversity. So much for courage and intestinal fortitude, not to mention principle. Give up and turn it back to the Democrats? NUTS!

100% Correct! I don't get the people who want to throw in the towel in the first inning of a double header because it's tied 1-1.

[Southack]

"I think we can stand 8 more years of the Democratic Party--however bad that may be. I know that you, Jim, understand that GWB administrations I and II, nor Mr. Justice Alberto Gonzalez, will not do one single thing to overturn Roe or protect the unborn.

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Fortune favors the bold."

That's pure nonsense. Fortune doesn't favor national suicide. We're fast approaching the point at which 3 or more Justices will be retiring. These next 6 years will see new Justices who will serve for most of our lifetimes. Giving up the Presidency at this point would give up those appointments, and the end result would be an entire additional Century of creeping Communism. That's simply not a sane option.

We have at least 3 Justices who would overturn Roe v Wade today. We only need 2 more, perhaps even just 1. In the next 6 years Bush will get at least 3.

Thus, Roe v Wade is toast, and it all will have happened even OVER the resistence by people like you, who favored insane "alternative" plans for bringing sanity back to the Law.

[Sid Rich]

Arguing for limited government is spewing Marxist propaganda? You're right. I don't have a place in your Alice-in-Wonderland world.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Could someone tell me ( I am here to learn) if there is a more ultra conservative party other than the GOP?

[Southack]

"You forgot the Patriot Act which in part stomps on our 4th amendment rights."

You know, I've yet to meet a **single** person who can identify a single unConstitutional sentence in the entire Patriot Act law.

And I have no doubt that you can't point to a single such sentence in that law that "stomps" on our 4th Amendment rights, either.

But it makes for a great soundbite (if you're a liberal), at least as long as no one is asking for factual substantiation...

[rogerthedodger]

No one, not one man or woman, in the Republican leadership will take the least risk to overturn Roe. When was the last time you heard any of the top 20 Republicans say that Roe was an atrocious example of judicial legislation and that it should be overturned? For that matter, who among the top 20 of the leadership can even articulate why Roe is bad law??????

3 more O'Connor's, Souters, and Gonzalezes? No thanks.

Roe ain't going nowhere. It's here to stay. The opportunists in the leadership are scared sh**less of the feminist lobby slandering them at the polls.

[Jim Robinson]

Argue for constitutionally limited government all you want. That's what we're ALL doing here. But join in with the liberal/marxist/communist Democrats? Never! That's where I draw the line.

[Jim Robinson]

See ya. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[deport]

So Bush can appoint O'Connor chief justice and Al (Pro-Abort) Gonzales,

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Do you have direct line of communications with the President that gives you that knowledge? Or is it speculation on your part? Where do you get the Al (pro-abort) Gonzales information? Direct knowledge, direct quotes from him or again speculation on your part?

[Southack]

"No one, not one man or woman, in the Republican leadership will take the least risk to overturn Roe. When was the last time you heard any of the top 20 Republicans say that Roe was an atrocious example of judicial legislation and that it should be overturned?" -rogerthedodger

Where the heck have **YOU** been hiding?!

Here's President Bush's nomination to the 11th federal Circuit Court, Bill Pryor:

The left-wing People for the American Way (PFAW) published the following quotes, among others, from Pryor on its website. PFAW intended them to be a distillation of the reasons he should not be confirmed. Conservatives reading them might stand up and cheer.

On Roe v. Wade

"the worst abomination of constitutional law in our history"

On "states’ rights"federalism

"With the New Deal, the Great Society, and the growing federal bureaucracy, we have strayed too far in the expansion of the federal government."

On the American government

"the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States are rooted in a Christian perspective of the nature of government and the nature of man. The challenge of the next millennium will be to preserve the American experiment by restoring its Christian perspective."

On Bush v Gore

"I’m probably the only one who wanted it 5-4. I wanted [then] Gov. Bush to have a full appreciation of the judiciary and judicial selection so we can have no more appointments like Justice Souter."

On sodomy laws

"a constitutional right that protects ‘the choice of one’s partner’ . . . must logically extend to activities like prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia (if the child should credibly claim to be ‘willing’)."

On "sodomy" laws targeting only homosexuals, even if not enforced criminally

"Even legislation that is largely symbolic and infrequently enforced . . . has significant pedagogic value. Laws teach people what they should and should not do, based on the experience of their elders. The states should not be required to accept, as a matter of constitutional doctrine, that homosexual activity is harmless and does not expose individuals and the public to deleterious spiritual and physical consequences."

On what he calls "the erosion of self-government"

"For more than 30 years, the liberal agenda has been pushed through the courts, without a vote of either the people or their representatives. The courts have imposed results on a wide range of issues, including racial quotas, school prayer, abortion, and homosexual rights."

On guns

"As a law enforcement official, I know crimes are caused by criminals, not by the gun industry. Indeed, by providing good-quality firearms at reasonable prices to law-abiding citizens and lawmen, the gun industry helps reduce crime."

[billbears]

You're telling me. The answer is an adamant no. The GOP is not conservative. Whether they have ever truly been conservative is something that needs to be asked next

[EverOnward]

Conservative here and won't be voting a straight Republican ticket any longer. Won't be voting for Bush again.

[Southack]

"Roe ain't going nowhere. It's here to stay. The opportunists in the leadership are scared sh**less of the feminist lobby slandering them at the polls."

Nonsense. Have you been sleeping through the demographic and political changes in America over the last decade?

The pro-abortion lobby is, pardon the pun, dead. NOW's donations in a year are less now than what Cheney or the NRA can raise in a single hour. Americans have become pro-life, and they are voting with their wallets.

See for yourself (from Opensecrets.org - a leftwing political research site, btw):

National Organization for Women
2002 PAC Summary Data

 
2002 election

Select a Cycle:

Total Receipts
$216,817
Total Spent  (view expenditures)	$304,737
Begin Cash on Hand	$91,826
End Cash on Hand	$3,902
Debts	$0
Date of last report	December 31, 2002
Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates (list recipients) (100% to Democrats, 0% to Republicans)	$69,894
Contributions to this PAC from individual donors of $200 or more (list donors)	$58,365

PAC NAME: NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (NOW/PAC)
WASHINGTON DC, 20005
FEC COMMITTEE ID: C00092247
(LOOK UP ACTUAL DOCUMENTS FILED AT THE FEC)

INDUSTRY: Women's Issues
Women's issues

*Based on data released by the FEC on Wednesday, July 09, 2003. 

[Southack]

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[Southack]

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[ApesForEvolution]

"After all, no single-issue crowd is owed the loyalty of a political party."

And the umbrella issue that MOST people you to appear to label as 'single issue voters' is CONSTITUTIONAL adherence/governance.

Whichever particular issue of CONSTITUTIONAL adherence/governance that an individual prioritizes as most important to them is of no consequence, because almost ALL people that you label as 'single issue voters' have a problem with the position of CONSTITUTIONAL adherence/governance that is taken by the GOP (and obviously the RATS).

Be it smaller government, government indoctrination schooling, the right to life, RKBA, invasion of America's borders by illegals, compelling skin-colored governmental interests, sovereignty-usurpating un-Consititutional treaties, un-Constitutional taxation, property and privacy-rights abuses (and other abuses to rights given by God and affirmed by the Bill of Rights), suppression/oppression through CONSTITUTIONALLY repugnant legislation and un-Constitutional EXECUTIVE ORDERS, affiliation with un-Constitutional international bodies, the un-Constititional use of the military (American troops are now in over 135 nations and in many cases are not under American command and control), etc.

- they are all sub-issues of their greatest single issue which is routinely abused -

that being the adherence to the document called our Constitution and lawful governance by it.

So, when someone says:

"WRONG. The GOP will be far more likely to respond with a loud "SCREW YOU" and they will proceed to get votes elsewhere. And the third-party/stay-at-home crowd might not like what happens."

It, as a projection of greater GOP sentiment, simply hastens the GOP to the ash heap of the Whig Party.

If and until the GOP learns this lesson about the seriousness of the portion of the Party that vote as 'conservatives', who simply desire CONSTITUTIONAL adherence/governance and the nomination to the USSC of those who will not interpret or rewrite it, but rather enforce it, the GOP will simply continue to slide left for votes that they lose and will in fact become that which the RATS were before they openly embraced communism.

Either way, the GOP becomes less and less of a viable governing party and looks more and more like the Whig Party.

[rogerthedodger]

Is Bill Pryor confirmed?

Is Bill Pryor in the House, Senate, White House, state house, or governor's mansion? Does he lead the RNC?

Bill Pryor is not going to pass the amendments or the laws that will overturn Roe or set up a legal confrontation with it. He will sit on the 11th Circuit, if permitted, and may see an abortion case sometime in the next 20 years. Meantime, six justices of the Supreme Court will stamp "writ of certiorari denied" on any appellate brief that reaches them on the constitutionality of restrictions on abortion.

[Jim Robinson]

Total B/S. Apparently you've never even talked to any Republicans in office. The vast, and I mean VAST majority of them are staunchly pro-life. There are only a handful of moderates who believe otherwise. Almost 100% of the Democrats in office swear that abortion is a constitutional right. They also believe that abortions should be paid for by the taxpayer, same as they believe that ALL healthcare should be paid for and controlled by the government. Same as they believe the second amendment does not apply to individuals and that America should be subserviant to the UN. And that America can only defend itself from foreign attack if the UN approves. And that the tax code should be used for social engineering and that the wealthy should pay confiscatory high taxes and the poor should receive tax payments stolen from others. And that homosexuality should be force-fed to our youngsters in government controlled compulsary schools and that GOD should NOT be!

Forget it! You know nothing of what you speak.