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(Pat) Robertson defends Liberian president; blames US State Department
MSNBC / Washington Post ^ | 7.10.03 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 07/10/2003 8:47:18 AM PDT by mhking

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To: Norse
There is EVERYTHING wrong with having Chinese business inteerests. It's a COMMUNIST country! Our enemies, remember? If he were supporting the economy of another slave state, say the Soviet Union, another COMMUNIST country, then how would you feel about it?
21 posted on 07/10/2003 9:41:55 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: mhking
I've mostly had a deep respect for Pat. He is a decent man, but not above mistakes. I will have to give this matter much consideration and research.

22 posted on 07/10/2003 9:42:18 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (My mind is aglow whirling with transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention)
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To: Theo; beckett
" ... like you and me ... He's done ... things that have hurt people and confused people. Don't knee-jerk against this person." ~ Theo

"..like you and me..."????? Not exactly. Speak for yourself.

False Prophets, Real Profits by Rob Boston
Religious Right Leaders’ Wild Predictions of Y2K Disaster
Didn’t Come True, But They Made Money Anyway
http://www.au.org/churchstate/cs2003.htm

The new year had dawned, January of 1999, and Dr. James C. Dobson, founder and president of Focus on the Family, was very worried about the "Y2K computer bug."

Dobson was so concerned he decided to pull his staff together in the chapel of FOF’s Colorado Springs headquarters for a special meeting. He had invited Michael Hyatt, then a prominent Y2K doomsday author who frequently appeared on Christian radio, to address the issue.

When Hyatt finished his gloomy predictions of power outages and stock-market crashes, Dobson outlined his own fears. The impending computer glitch, he asserted, could cause American society to break down, spawning terrorist activity, "massive civil disobedience," widespread looting, food shortages, worldwide economic collapse and possible global conflict as unstable dictators seized the opportunity.

But there was more. Problems brought about by Y2K, Dobson asserted, could also lead "present political leaders" to "refuse to yield power," and he added that the computer bug could even spark "God’s judgment — and that one, obviously, overrides all the rest of them."

Dobson was only one among many Religious Right leaders who bought into widespread Y2K panic throughout 1999. Although later in the year Dobson seemed to step back from some of his more outlandish predictions, FOF continued to sell copies of Hyatt’s panic-laden tome, The Millennium Bug, as well as a tape recording of his comments at the FOF staff meeting.

Now that Jan. 1, 2000, has come and gone with no significant Y2K-related problems, Religious Right figures who posed as "experts" on the subject and predicted the collapse of society, the loss of electricity and other public utilities, food shortages or other equally dire scenarios are struggling to save face.

Not all Y2K hysteria can be blamed on the Religious Right, of course. Plenty of secular-minded doomsday prophets also made fantastic predictions about the collapse of the economy and the social order. Not everyone who bought 60 pounds of freeze-dried beans and stockpiled water in the basement was a far-right Christian survivalist.

But some critics say Religious Right leaders who overreacted bear special blame. Regarded as trustworthy by their followers, they had an opportunity to educate their flocks and staunch the panic — and they blew it by buying into the scare themselves.

Most major Religious Right figures were swept up by the Y2K hysteria, among them Dobson, the Rev. Jerry Falwell, TV preacher D. James Kennedy, leaders of the Promise Keepers, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson and popular evangelical author Tim LaHaye.

It’s hard to tell how many Religious Right leaders took the dire forecasts of Y2K chaos seriously or if they simply saw it as another opportunity to make money. Some, like Falwell, did aggressively seek to turn their flocks’ fears into gold, hawking Y2K survival books, emergency food supplies and videos.

Falwell devoted three national television broadcasts to Y2K last year. In one of them, he warned that Y2K "has the potential to be a very big problem, worldwide in scope and without historical precedent." Falwell said trouble was inevitable because the United States did not have enough computer programmers to solve the problem.

The Lynchburg, Va., evangelist also released a Y2K video, "A Christian’s Guide to the Millennium Bug," which he sold for $28 through his "Old-Time Gospel Hour" program. In the video he recommended stockpiling food, medical supplies, sanitary equipment and matches, as well as guns and ammunition. He also advised his followers to "secure an alternative form of currency," since cash and credit cards would be worthless. It would be a good idea, he said, to develop "alternative sources of heat and energy." For a while, Falwell even hawked a line of expensive canned goods called SafeTrek Foods through his National Liberty Journal tabloid newspaper.

Near the end of the year, however, Falwell abruptly changed his tune and told The Washington Post he was confident that the computer glitch had largely been fixed. "I don’t anticipate any major problems," he told the newspaper in late December. "I would fly in an airplane that day." He also stopped selling the video.

Falwell’s public relations firm did not respond to Church & State’s request for an interview and would not tell the magazine how many copies of his Y2K video Falwell sold or how much money he made.

Robertson had offered similar dire predictions on his "700 Club" show and during a Y2K conference at his Founders Inn in Virginia Beach in 1998. At that event, Robertson, who is prone to make gloom-and-doom predictions, said of Y2K, "What we are looking at is a man-made global crisis of such magnitude that nobody really can assess it."

On March 23, 1998, Robertson interviewed Y2K doomsday writer Ed Yourdon, a software consultant whose hysteria-laden tome Time Bomb 2000 sold a quarter of million copies. Yourdon told Robertson that he expected Y2K to spark a serious recession and "some degree of chaos."

CBN also launched an online "Y2K Resource Center," which was still running as of last month. The Center advises visitors to stockpile food and other supplies and tells people to be prepared to be without power for some period of time. When Jan. 1 came and went without incident, the Center posted an essay by CBN staffer Drew Parkhill asserting that many problems will not surface until later this year and insisting that many of the difficulties spawned by the glitch may not have been reported.

Falwell and Robertson, it seems, have much to answer for. But Ft. Lauderdale-based TV preacher D. James Kennedy may have the largest amount of egg on his face. Throughout 1999, Kennedy went into full-blown panic over Y2K.

During his first broadcast about the computer glitch, which aired Jan. 17, 1999, Kennedy assured his audience he had spent "a great deal of time" studying the Y2K problem and took pains to present himself as an expert. Yet he did little more than engage in fear mongering, recycling anecdotes about Y2K failures that later turned out to be fictional.

In a booklet he published, Kennedy told an oft-repeated tale about a 104-year-old woman in Minnesota who supposedly received a notice from the local public school system reminding her to enroll in kindergarten. Evangelical writer Hank Hanegraaff, author of the 1999 book The Millennium Bug Debugged: The Facts Behind All the Y2K Sensationalism, tracked down the story and discovered that it was largely apocryphal. The story actually dated from 1993 and dealt with a Roman Catholic school that had sent out the erroneous notice. The mistake was due exclusively to human error and not at all related to Y2K. Hanegraaff found that various doomsday prophets had enbellished the account over the years, changing the state where it supposedly occurred, saying it took place in 1999 and asserting that the letter had come from a state department of education.

Hanegraaff notes in his book that he informed Y2K panic author Hyatt, the man who addressed Dobson’s FOF chapel meeting, about the errors, but Hyatt continued to use the anecdote.

At the farthest extreme of the Religious Right sits a fringe group of survivalists who literally decided to head for the hills over Y2K. The most prominent spokesman for this faction is Gary North, a Christian Reconstructionist who believes that the U.S. government should be scrapped and replaced with a theocracy based on his interpretation of "biblical law." North essentially predicted the end of civilization as we know it.

According to his scenario, Y2K would spark the crash of world economies and governments. He opined that U.S. urban areas would become war zones, destroyed by looting and rioting in the wake of food shortages and power outages. Paper money would be useless, and public utilities would quickly fail. North actually hoped this grim scenario would come to pass because he believed it would lead to the creation of a new government more to his liking. North, who now lives in an isolated compound in rural Arkansas, spread his views through a website (www.garynorth.com), which linked to dozens of alarmist Y2K articles. (Church & State sent an e-mail message to North requesting an interview for this story, but he did not reply.)

In October of 1999, North replaced his original website message with a slightly less alarmist posting. But even in this message North continues to warn of dire problems that he says could surface later this year.

After Jan. 1 North did concede that his predictions had failed. "I am certainly willing to say that my assessment of the threat, as things have played out, was incorrect," he wrote in a statement he posted Jan. 5.

But not all doomsayers have been as willing as North to admit that they were wrong. In fact, some Religious Right groups are engaging in what can only be called revisionism. In 1999 FOF’s Dobson hit the panic button and used his Citizen magazine to promote the idea of using a Y2K crisis as a way to win converts; one year later, another FOF publication downplayed fears of societal collapse and criticized the idea of using Y2K fears to win souls. In the Jan. 7, 2000, edition of The Pastor’s Weekly Briefing, an FOF fax publication, H.B. London Jr. writes, "As I, like many of you, watched ABC chronicle the passing from one century to the next, I could not help but wonder what those who feared the worst were thinking."

Continued London, "[The Bible] reminds us that we cannot depend on scary events in the world to drive men and women into the church, or even to Christ. The only thing that will accomplish that is for mankind to realize they are lost without Jesus."

Steve Hewitt, editor of Christian Computing magazine in Raymore, Mo., spent much of 1999 traveling to evangelical churches around the country urging people not to panic over Y2K. Hewitt was convinced early on that the problems would be minimal. On New Year’s Eve, he and his staff hosted an online party that lasted nearly five hours as they watched the "Y2K rollover" take place in each time zone without incident. (Hewitt says the only glitch he experienced that night were jammed phone lines because so many people tried to call in after midnight.)

"One thing is clear in all of this," Hewitt told Church & State, "all of the fear-mongering in America by both the secular and religious press didn’t accomplish anything. Countries like France, Saudi Arabia and others didn’t have the fear mongers we had, and they came out okay. The people who were alarmist, I will not let them take credit now for the fix. For those who were scaring people and engaging in fear mongering, I think there needs to be some accountability. Those who were so wrong need to apologize."

Eventually, some Religious Right and secular figures who warned of Y2K doomsday may indeed apologize. But others are keeping the faith and insist that the computer bug may merely be lying in wait to strike later this year. On Jan. 1, Hyatt, the man who got Dobson so worked up over Y2K last year, posted a message on his website, the tone of which seemed to imply that Hyatt was personally disappointed that society had not collapsed like a house of cards. "If you are like many who took the time and trouble to prepare for Y2K, you are probably feeling a little let down today," it read. "I can certainly understand your disappointment or perhaps your frustration. However, I want to emphasize that things are far from over."

TV preacher Robertson also tried to look on the bright side. Speaking to his "700 Club" audience a few days after Jan. 1, Robertson asserted that the year 2000 will see a greater than normal number of natural disasters, such as hurricanes.

All of those stockpiled goods, he suggested, may come in handy after all.

23 posted on 07/10/2003 9:43:14 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Religious KOOKS = a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: warchild9
>There is EVERYTHING wrong with having Chinese business inteerests. It's a COMMUNIST country! Our enemies, remember?

It would be darn hard
to name any US firm
that didn't have some

linkage to China
these days. (Globalist types say
these links give us clout...)

24 posted on 07/10/2003 9:47:04 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Matchett-PI
Did you even read that article you cut-and-pasted? There's not much about Robertson in it, and nothing that betrays "cynicism" and "greedy" and "total corruption" (terms a seemingly-similar minded Freeper used)....

Now, if you want to examine the facts about Robertson and Taylor, that'd be interesting. Is Robertson defending a friend? Does Robertson know Taylor well? Is Taylor being misrepresented? Is Taylor one way with Pat and one way with everyone else? Is Robertson trying to save a business venture? These are good questions to ponder. But trashing Robertson because he's an influential Christian man is just not right in this context....

25 posted on 07/10/2003 9:53:09 AM PDT by Theo
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To: Norse
Bush realizes that Charles Taylor is a horrible leader and needs to go.

Lottsa people think Bush is a horrible leader and that he needs to go...I held my nose on the way to the township hall to vote for Bush, only because I couldn't find the gas mask...

I've done a little research on this Taylor guy and I don't find much significant...Except he claimed to be a friend of the US and called on the United States to help him and his Democracy out while enduring these attacks by muslims...

In Taylor's gov't, there are about 30 or so political parties representing the people as opposed to the two (or 3) that we have...Could be the folks in Liberia felt they didn't have much choice except to vote for Taylor to keep the muslims out...Religious wise, the country is 40% christian, 40% indigenous and 20% muslim...And if Taylor sides with militias in Sierra Leone on the side of Christians against muslims, I may side with Taylor also...Who knows, anyone???

But this thing is beginning to have the stink of Kosovo and Yugoslavia...What's with our country seemingly wanting to take sides against Christians when it comes to muslims???

26 posted on 07/10/2003 9:56:14 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: mhking
"Diamond" Pat has had a lot of experience in Africa.
27 posted on 07/10/2003 9:57:45 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: theFIRMbss
I believe business associations with a tyrannical slave state are called...corruption. Hm?
28 posted on 07/10/2003 9:58:59 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: tallhappy
Where's the info coming on Taylor and al Qaeda?

Here: Pat Robertson's al-Qaeda Ties

And here: Liberia denies al-Qaeda link

And here: Liberian Is Accused of Harboring Al Qaeda

Google search, Charles Taylor and Al-Qaeda

And this statement from Congressman Frank Wolf in June of 2002 about getting rid of Charles Taylor and the links to Al-Qaeda.

29 posted on 07/10/2003 9:59:49 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Turn down the hot water, don't turn up the cold!)
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To: beckett
I remember watching part of that tv movie on the PTL ripoff.

Did you know that ABC's Family Channel was originally Robertson's?

ABC tried to buy it, but Pat wanted time on the cable channel as part of the deal. ABC said no. Fox bought it with those
conditions, then sold it a few money losing years later to ABC with the 700 Club slots intact AND for
substantially more than ABC offered a few short years earlier.

30 posted on 07/10/2003 10:02:30 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Theo
You know nothing about Pat Robertson...Don't knee-jerk against this person.

I am not knee-jerking. Don't presume to know what I know about Robertson. I have watched him and followed his various scams for many, many years. He is a GREEDY BS Artist and a disgrace to the faith he pretends to profess.

31 posted on 07/10/2003 10:07:53 AM PDT by beckett
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To: tallhappy
Africans Harbored Al Qaeda; Terror Assets Hidden In Gem-Buying Spree

Liberian Is Accused of Harboring Al Qaeda - Washington Post

Al Qaeda linked to West African diamonds - Reuters

Al Qaeda's diamond connection

32 posted on 07/10/2003 10:08:53 AM PDT by dead
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To: Iscool
You did your research on the marxist Liberian mass murderer Charles Taylor and didn't find "much significant." Remind me not to ask you to do any "research" for me, will you?
33 posted on 07/10/2003 10:12:31 AM PDT by beckett
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To: eyespysomething; dead
Thanks.

My impression of him has been he is a despot and totally corrupt. But he has been corrupt on the side of the US and been consistently anti-communist. Perhaps it simply reflects who paid him most, but but in rhetoric he has been on our side.

Perhaps as well he says other things to others.

I do recall there were two governments for a while there. One was Taylor and the other much more pro-communist.

34 posted on 07/10/2003 10:14:31 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: dead
"Taylor has accepted millions to shelter senior Al Qaeda operatives.

Al Qaeda is also laundering and stashing money via black market Liberian diamonds, under Taylor’s protection.

He needs a bullet in his head. "


Didnt know any of that... Like I said, I dont know all of the details. If Al Qaeda is present... and operating under his knowledge, he had better keep one eye open when he sleeps
35 posted on 07/10/2003 10:17:03 AM PDT by smith288 (We are but a moon, reflecting the light of the Son.)
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To: beckett
You did your research on the marxist Liberian mass murderer Charles Taylor and didn't find "much significant."

Why is the UN the driving force against him?

Do you agree with the International War Crimes Tribunal authority? That seems to be the basis for this recent charge to remove him.

36 posted on 07/10/2003 10:17:32 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
You are correct, but only in a limited sense. Taylor's corruption has overwhelmed his ideology, so he can't be called a determined marxist any longer. But the original doctrine upon which he built his political career was completely and thoroughly marxist.
37 posted on 07/10/2003 10:21:25 AM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett
Seems the people that elected Taylor, over 70% of the population, would like him to stay...But apparently you, the Wash Post, Reuters and the United Nations, and oh yes, George B, would like to remove him...And replace him with WHO??? Which muslim are you supporting???
38 posted on 07/10/2003 10:22:12 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: tallhappy
Why is the UN the driving force against him?

Do you agree with the International War Crimes Tribunal authority? That seems to be the basis for this recent charge to remove him.

I am not advocating any call to action against Taylor, nor tacitly supporting the UN or the International War Crimes Tribunal by my statements on this thread. I am simply calling for clarity about who Taylor is, i.e., a corrupt and bloody despot of marxist origin who deserves not one word of praise by a so-called "man of God" like Pat Robertson.

39 posted on 07/10/2003 10:26:14 AM PDT by beckett
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To: eyespysomething; mhking
More info:

Pat Robertson: His Liberia Deal

Robertson--Dealing with Dictators

Pat Robertson's Business Practices

"...Another one of Robertson's more notorious business deals is the recently exposed diamond mine case. In this ingenious venture, Robertson saw an opportunity in the country formerly named Zaire (now the Congo) for diamond mines. The former Zaire is a country rich in natural resources, including diamonds, but these resources were thus far being plundered by its (former) dictator, the brutal Mobuto Sese Seko. Mobuto (who recently died of cancer) was one of the world's richest men, while his people lived in grinding poverty. It was often noted that he could have cured all of his country's ills by writing a personal check. Mobuto had been trying to come to the US to try to improve relations, but the State Department refused to grant him a visa, due to his lengthy human rights violations (see the Pat's Dictator Friends page for more info). In all of this, the clever Pat Robertson saw an opportunity. The two became close associates, and Mobuto allowed Pat to open diamond mines in Zaire, under the name of the African Development Company, while Pat tried to persuade the State Department to allow Mobuto entry into the US. Ultimately, it was found out that Pat had been using CBN money and equipment to aid his diamond mining operation in Zaire (see the News page for more details). A good deal for Pat, seeing as he employed people in Zaire for ridiculously low wages, and managed to use CBN's infrastructure to cut costs even more.

Ultimately, one is struck by the constant use of non-profit, donor money used to fund Pat's schemes, and the total lack of ethics that this man has. Anyone thinking about sending money to CBN to "promote the gospel" should definitely take note; chances are that your money will end up being used to increase the fortune of one Marion "Pat" Robertson instead. For even more information on Pat's business practices, I encourage you to check out Rob Boston's book entitled "The Most Dangerous Man in America? Pat Robertson and the Rise of the Christian Coalition," from which some of my information comes..."


40 posted on 07/10/2003 10:34:02 AM PDT by Shermy
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