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Harvest - Greg Laurie ^

[D Rider]

The truth about Hitler is a little more complex. He was a Catholic. The SS was modeled after the order of the Jesuits of which he was very proud of. Politically he was Catholic, as seen in the Concordat of 1933. Hence he was a Christian (accusation).

We all know the other things that he was into. He melded science, philosophy and religion together in a masterful mix that gave him supreme "mind" control over an entire culture.

The way I see it, Hitler was just a glimpse of the deception that is to come.

[Dimensio]

As I said, I am aware of the quote's attribution to Washington's Farewell Address. While various statements from the more "complete" quote that you presented do appear in his farewell address, they are not a single continuous quote (the statements in the quote are actually intersparsed with other statements in the actual Address), some of the statements in your quote are modified from the original text of the Address and "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible" does not appear anywhere within the Farewell Address (neither "God" nor "Bible" show up in a regular expression search).

[AnnaZ]

You may be correct, I myself haven't researched it beyond the google glance above. If the quote is indeed a fabrication it should be proven somewhere as such and no longer used.

 

Having said that, the sentiment of the sentence is supported in other quotes and writings of his, and the dismissing of that line from the repertoire does nothing to negate the fact that it was a belief George Washington embraced.

[AnnaZ]

"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible."

 

Besides, of course it is possible to govern the world without God or the Bible... it may be inpossible to do so mercifully.

 

If I was going to put words in his mouth I might have come up with:

 

"It is impossible to govern the world justly without God and the Bible."

[NewLand]

let's agree the quote is false.

what does mean regarding the entire post (learn about the bible), the entire web page, the biblical quotes, the reference books. is everything on that page false in your eyes?

btw, I did not seek that quote. I posted an entire web page of harvest.org. you are arguing about something that is irrelevant to the entire message.

but that seems to be OK for you. so, enjoy yourself!

[Dimensio]

I find it telling that Washington used the term "religion" and not "Christianity". Other religions may not have been common in the colonies/early US, but they were not unheard of.

In any case, my point is that there is no evidence that Washington ever made the quote attributed to him. That he might have held sentiments similar to those expressed in the quote does not make the quote accurate, and it is not honest to present it as a verified quote. Unfortunately, NewLand seems to think that it's okay to present quotes that may well be false if their sentiment still supports his position.

[NewLand]

Thank you Anna Z. You could have a video of GW saying this and that guy will still deny it.

I will advise harvest.org to replace that GW quote with this one...

"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor."

[NewLand]

Unfortunately, NewLand seems to think that it's okay to present quotes that may well be false if their sentiment still supports his position.

Hey you moron, I conceded both the potential and actual 'falseness' of that quote. You have no interest in truth, just challenging people for the sake of challenging them and avoiding answering any questions yourself.

[Dimensio]

Hey you moron

Hey you jackass.

I conceded both the potential and actual 'falseness' of that quote.

And yet you still practically claim that I am in "denial" in post #67 (FYI, if you had an authentic video of Washington making the statement, I would accept it -- thus far you have not presented anything remotely close to "evidence" that Washington uttered the words that harvest.org attributes to him). In any case, I had not seen your "concession" (weak as it is) until after I had made my posting.

You have no interest in truth, just challenging people for the sake of challenging them and avoiding answering any questions yourself.

What questions have I been asked? I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

[Dimensio]

what does mean regarding the entire post (learn about the bible), the entire web page, the biblical quotes, the reference books. is everything on that page false in your eyes?

It means that harvest.org is willing to use unreliable information without checking facts. As such, I see little reason to rely upon the site as a source of inspiration or education.

[NewLand]

I'll look into it. I'll also send some nasty letters if the website contents are incorrect, as you claim. Nonetheless, the issue would then be on the idiots publishing the web site and not The Bible. The Bible makes no statement regarding George Washington, even if the web site erroneously claims as much.

[NewLand]

Now we can get back to the topic of this post...You Can Begin To Learn About The Bible Here

[Dimensio]

I made no statement as to the veracity of the Bible. I certainly never claimed that fabricated Founding Father quotes hurt the credibility of the Christian religion.

[AnnaZ]

I find it telling that Washington used the term "religion" and not "Christianity". Other religions may not have been common in the colonies/early US, but they were not unheard of.

from his address (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm):

 

Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes.

 

 

That he might have held sentiments similar to those expressed in the quote...

 

 

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

 

...does not make the quote accurate, and it is not honest to present it as a verified quote. ...

 

On this note we are most definitely in agreement.