Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[goodseedhomeschool]

Oh shoot. I kept waiting for at least one of the scoffers to at least try one question and none delivered. I expected it though :(...
Maybe tomorrow they will get up some courage.

[scripter]

That is just excellent, NewLand, thanks for posting. The first time I heard the bird story I just had to have it as it was a perfect analogy for an ongoing discussion on FR.

I have a couple of other stories I'll put in my profile soon. Thanks for the prayers and blessings!

[balrog666]

Reducing theology to a ... child's caricature * --- sure makes it easy to dismiss, doesn't it?

That was originally posted to me. I answered YES!

Of course, the difference between the child's caricature and the ultra-literalist fundies was nil, so that made it easy.

[ALS]

When evoids figure out how to post links from atheist websites over the phone, they'll be on. Otherwise the outside world is still a bit too scary for em.

[dogbyte12]

Name one "innocent person" God has killed.

Well, if I believed Adam & Eve literally, you would have a point.

How about the zygote inside any woman during the flood. Any newborn first born sons in Egypt. You can say, well... we all are sinners so it's ok for God to murder babies, but I think God is better than that.

I think you have to come around your circular logic if I may make a constructive criticism. Because the Bible says so, is an end to all argument. If you accept that a fetus in a woman's stomach is an evil sinner, you might believe that God is justified in zapping it.

Were all the butterflies save for two sinners? Were all the begonias sinners? I could punish my kid by killing him for sassing me, as the old testament suggests, but why would roasting his pets as well be justified?

If you believe that God gets angry, jealous, hurt, you abscribe to him human emotions that are petty. God is not petty. I do not believe any more that God would punish the innocent, and yes I dare say those who have not had a chance to sin yet, still should be offered their chance before being zapped.

Noah is a justification for abortion when it comes right down to it. The parents were sinners, the baby would be a sinner, might as well kill them all. If you are a woman who has sex with a bad person, do what God did... drown your baby like the mother in Texas.

Yes, I absolutely reject a theology that says God would kill unborn babies for the sins of their parents, or the sins of their future. It isn't just, and I don't accept it.

[goodseedhomeschool]

LOL that is so true lol. All this "why can't I write the debate" really tickles me. I spent the evening canning blueberry preserves and pickles. Peach jam tomorrow. Wow what a day it was.

[NewLand]

"I do think it is quite unsporting for you to come out with the insults, when you know that the other side is trying to avoid it."

HA! That's a joke...

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"Good point. Ignorant, extremist, blowhard fundamentalists have more than one ideology, even when they look alike and have the same goal."

1,056 posted on 07/10/2003 5:02 PM PDT by balrog666

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"But when it comes to uneducated, closeminded, religious fundamentalists, changing mindsets is NOT an option.
They would persecute us to the ends of the earth, they would throw us in jail and shoot us in the streets."

1,041 posted on 07/10/2003 4:25 PM PDT by Aric2000 ----------------------------------

Just a few examples so as not to waste too much of my time...

[ALS]

Your concept of sin:
"Were all the begonias sinners?"

At least you are consistent with all the other clueless evoids. Probably best you avoid concluding anything about that which you know nothing of.

It's safer for all of us that way.

[ALS]

excellent post :)

[NewLand]

"Yes, I absolutely reject...God"

That states your position more accurately.

Man cannot make up his own version of God...like you seem to want to do, at best.

"God is God, and I am not"
Steven Curtis Chapman

[bondserv]

Some interesting scripture that coincides with your thoughts. Job is considered by most theologians as the oldest book of the Bible.

Job 9:8-9
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.


For those who believe Genesis is the only passage that teaches special creation.

Isa 45:12
12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

For the second law of thermodynamics.
Isa 51:6
6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment,

Heb 1:11-12
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

Psa 104:2
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

For those Flat-Earth pointers.
Isa 40:22
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Isa 34:4
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll:

[f.Christian]

You know I try to tell people who are substance (( prescription too )) addicted that they have to increase the dosage they take because their tolerance increases and the increasing amounts of drugs // alcohol consumption create damaging side effects !

They all say they have ... " good tolerance " and --- " WHAT SIDE EFECTS " !

Not to mention their paranoia and whacked ego retarded trivia fixations - obsessions !

[goodseedhomeschool]

I just read Job last night (the whole book). The 84 questions God asked Job was very revealing. HI bond :)
Unicorns, behemoth, Leviathan, fascinating.

[ALS]

toss these in...

Malachi 4
4:1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
4:2
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3
And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

[goodseedhomeschool]

So, actually, there is a Big Bang, only it comes in the end rather than the beginning. :)

[PatrickHenry]

Bailing out for the evening. Placemarker.

[ALS]

[dogbyte12]

Yes, I absolutely reject...God"

Sigh... unless one is a fundamentalist, you are a heathen pagan. Ok. You win. I believe the earth is 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs were on the ark, that we have mutated into all the different races since Noah. I believe that Cain, made his way into a bustling city even though he and mom and dad were the only ones around. I believe, I believe.

For me, it is just like saying if you don't accept that Zeus and Hera exists, you are an atheist. You can use that argument if it makes you feel happy. You reject Krishna and I don't hold that against you.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Actually, adam and Eve had other kids. Cain probably married his sister.

[Aric2000]

Excuse me Newland, but I was speaking specifically of RWP's links, Why did you take it personally as an attack on Christians.

You have a guilty concience, give you a few ideas?

I was speaking specifically of the links, did you read them?

I somehow doubt it.