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Iranian Alert -- DAY 30 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST [Riots erupt]
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| 7.9.2003
| DoctorZin
Posted on 07/09/2003 12:05:43 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
Today is July 9th. The day Iranians have been waiting for. The next 24-72 hours may be the most important in Iran's history.
It is noon there, at the time of this post, and already we are hearing of people in the streets. The regime's security forces are out in force. This is very encouraging as most of the demonstrations thus far have been at night to take advantage of the cover of dark.
We have heard of riots in the Pars region of the city of Tehran. We have yet to hear of strikes. We are receiving phone calls from Iran but they are few. The regime is cutting off the calls to the United States as soon as they find them.
We are continuing to hear of the regime’s jamming of the broadcasts in much of Iran and Europe. But apparently the signals do get through from time to time.
The people of Iran have chosen July 4th because four years ago, the regime brutally attacked peaceful student demonstrators while in their dorms. The result was the loss of life and liberty of hundreds of students, many of which are still unaccounted for.
Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a country. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.
Please continue to post your news stories and comments to this thread.
Thanks for all the help.
DoctorZin
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To: DoctorZIn
May God in Heaven bless and keep them and give them the strength to overcome and put down their tyrants and establish true liberty based on constitutional republican principles.
May He bless us to have the strength, fortitude and wisdom to support them in their sincere search and reach for true liberty and not some big-government-social perversion of it.
If all of those qualities are not there and if they do not have virtuous leaders who are not drunk on power themselves (leaders like George Washington who turned down power for himself in favor of liberty for the people...a liberty based on the free will acceptance of fundamental moral principle)...then they will end up with more of the same.
I pray that their sacrifice will lead to just that, free will acceptance of fundamental moral principle and liberty based upon it. That fundamental moral principle derives from the same source as the unalienable rights they seek...it derives from God in Heaven, but only through free will. Therein lies the great difference, the great gulf between what was established in this nation, and what Iran and others are struggling under. They struggle under the perverted notion, put forth by their mullahs, that that moral principle can be obtained by compulsion. it is nothing more than a cover for the corruption of those powerful individuals on top, who seek to do the compelling so they can maintain their positions.
Sadly, we are infected more and more in this nation with the same ill...just using different excuses...but we are armed.
Best regards.
Jeff
To: DoctorZIn
Did we move to a new thread Doctor? If not, maybe you might want to contact that Admin Moderator and ask them to re-direct the traffic here. It might cause confusion.
To: All
Brownback Voices Support for Iran Protestors
Wednesday, July 9, 2003
WASHINGTON – U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback today spoke to a large group of Iranian-Americans at a rally in support of the pro-democracy movement inside Iran. Today marks the fourth anniversary of the original student protests in Iran which were brutally put down by the current regime. The text of Brownback's speech follows. "My friends, I am so happy to be with you on this important day," Brownback said. "We are here today to stand in solidarity with the Iranian people who are resisting the oppressive regime which has refused to reform despite nearly seven years of promises to do so.
"Four years ago today, Iranian protesters again took to the streets and were brutally put down. The fact that we continue to see protests in Iran, despite very harsh treatment, is showing the world that these protests are growing and will eventually lead to real change inside Iran.
"People have said that Iranians are too divided and too independent to come together and provide meaningful support for regime change. Pundits have condescendingly referred to the current protests in Iran as a ‘blip' – something which will soon fade. But standing here looking at the group that has gathered here on behalf of the protesters only confirms what I have long believed: these pundits are wrong, and Iran will soon be free.
"You come here today from different political backgrounds, and you have many different opinions about what a future Iran should look like. But you are joined by your common love for your homeland, your support of the brave Iranian people who are protesting against this terrorist regime, and your strong belief that the U.S. must be on the right side of history and remain strongly supportive of a free Iran. What you have in common is stronger than your differences, and this is why you will eventually succeed. "Some have said that if the U.S. supports the protestors, we will be bound to intervene militarily. These people have not paid attention to the unique situation inside Iran. Young people make up nearly 70 percent of the country, and they are taking it back from the mullah minority. The Iranian people are a proud, strong, and independent people. They do not need, nor do they want an outside military force to come into their land. They will handle this matter themselves – they have already begun to do so. This does not mean that the military option is off the table. America reserves the right to protect its people and innocent civilians from a nuclear threat or further Iranian-backed terrorists. But this is a defensive option. "To be honest, America hopes that the Iranian people change their regime themselves.....and the hesitancy you see within America's foreign policy circles with regard to Iran comes largely because there is such hope for internal change, where there was none in Iraq or Afghanistan. There is no division in the U.S. government about the fact that Iran is a threat to its own people, and certainly to Americans. The Iranian people and the Iranian regime alike should know that we are united and resolute in our understanding of what Iran is doing. We will not allow Iran to spread its corruption throughout the region.
"Recently, President Bush praised the Iranian people who kept up protests for over a week in the face of government sponsored thugs who beat innocent women with chains. The president called these protests ‘heroic' and indeed, they are.
"Just as it was an important rhetorical step for President Reagan to dub the Soviet Union an ‘Evil Empire,' so too it is important for us to recognize the current regime in Iran for what is – an illegitimate, ruling elite that stifles the growth of genuine democracy, abuses human rights and exports terrorism.
"It is clear from the regime's treatment of its own people that Iran is no democracy. I understand that the State Department's job is diplomacy and the search for common ground, but now is a time for moral clarity, not excuses.
"You can't call a country that screens the candidates a democracy. You can't call a government that tortures and kills its people – openly – a democracy. You can't call a country that refuses to enforce the laws that the screened, elected officials pass a democracy.
"After all, it is the State Department's own report that classifies Iran as the largest state sponsor of terrorism. Do we really believe this is the will of the Iranian people? America must make it clear that we see the difference between the Iranian regime and the Iranian people – and we are supporting the people. President Bush is calling the shots with regard to America's foreign policy – and he has been clear about where he stands on this subject.
"Iran is not a democracy now – but we hope one day it will be.
"Once again, I call on the Iranian government to stop beating and harassing your own people. The students are shouting, ‘Khatemi, Khatemi, go away!' These are the same students that gave the so-called reformist President Khatemi his start. They are disillusioned because there has not been reform, there has not been real democracy and there has not been respect for the rule of law and human rights.
"The Iranian people are clearly stating that they are done with empty promises of reform. America must listen to this message. We cannot make the Iranian government less of a threat by wishing, nor by negotiating. How can we trust the word of a country that can't keep the trust of its own people?
"To the Iranian people, I offer my continued support. This is how history is made – one brave act at a time. The battle for your freedom will be long and hard. Stay strong, and know that America supports you, and will be there to help you rebuild your beautiful land. Hopefully, next July – as America again celebrates its independence, we can rejoice with you in celebrating a free Iran as well," Brownback said.
To: harpseal; Travis McGee
See my post 101.
Thank God for the wisdom and inspiration of our founders who recognized and enumerated our God-given right to self defense and be armed that has produced 80+ million of us who are in a position to protect our liberty and way of life.
God bless these people that they can use their sticks and clubs to good effect to acquire the effectual means to protect their own liberty...and may it be a true liberty based on the unalienable rights of man excercised in an environemnt where they adopt fundmental moral principle through the free will of the people.
To: nuconvert
Called C-SPAN....No cameras, no coverage
To: All
I forgot to mention this...
While the regime has refused to declare martial law in Iran the entire nation is effectively under martial law at this time. But the people are demonstrating in large numbers as is being reported.
We will keep you posted here... keep checking in.
Please keep contacting the media.
DoctorZin
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posted on
07/09/2003 11:09:17 AM PDT
by
DoctorZIn
(IranAzad... The July 9th protests and strikes have begun!)
To: nuconvert
...Called C-SPAN....No cameras, no coverage...
What do you expect.
The Iranian people are pro bush.
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posted on
07/09/2003 11:11:59 AM PDT
by
DoctorZIn
(IranAzad... The July 9th protests and strikes have begun!)
To: nuconvert
Good speech by Brownback.
To: DoctorZIn
I put a link to this thread on your new thread so the people will all be on the same one. Since Khashayar is posting here we don't want to take the chance he'll get lost. I hope you don't mind.
To: JulieRNR21; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Pan_Yans Wife; RobFromGa; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; ...
Islamic Vigilantes, Police, Youths Fight in Iran
TEHRAN (Reuters) - TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian hard-line Islamic vigilantes, police and pro-democracy youths fought three-sided running street battles near Tehran University on Wednesday on the anniversary of 1999 student unrest.
A witness said police had fired tear gas at groups of youths near the campus and also fought fistfights with plainclothes Islamic militiamen to prevent them from engaging in more running battles with youths.
Earlier witnesses said armed Iranian Islamic vigilantes seized three student leaders as they left a news conference where they announced they had canceled protests to mark the anniversary of 1999 university unrest.
Authorities have banned off-campus rallies, closed campus dormitories, postponed summer exams and vowed to deal strictly with any unrest after arresting 4,000 people during 10 nights of sometimes violent protests across the country in June.
The canceled demonstrations had been planned to mark the day four years ago when hard-line vigilantes fiercely loyal to conservative clerics attacked a Tehran University dormitory, killing one person and sparking five days of mass protests.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030709/wl_nm/iran_protests_dc_6 "If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail me”
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posted on
07/09/2003 11:20:17 AM PDT
by
DoctorZIn
(IranAzad... The July 9th protests and strikes have begun!)
To: Jeff Head
Those dead white guys were pretty smart 200 years ago, making sure we'd at least have guns to face tyrants.
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posted on
07/09/2003 11:20:44 AM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: DoctorZIn
Cancelling protests??
Freedom wont ring when the bell is not present.
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posted on
07/09/2003 11:22:44 AM PDT
by
smith288
(We are but a moon, reflecting the light of the Son.)
To: DoctorZIn
Long Live Freedom
113
posted on
07/09/2003 11:23:40 AM PDT
by
yonif
To: All
114
posted on
07/09/2003 11:24:16 AM PDT
by
DoctorZIn
(IranAzad... The July 9th protests and strikes have begun!)
To: All
Student Activists Detained in Iran
James Martone
Cairo
09 Jul 2003, 16:29 UTC
Voice of America
Three student activists have been seized in Tehran. The three were seized shortly after they held a news conference to announce the cancellation of protests marking the anniversary of student clashes with security forces.
Members of a pro-reform student umbrella group say the three activists were taken away by men dressed in plainclothes as they left the news conference. One of the witnesses is quoted as saying, "We cannot call it arrest, it was a kidnapping."
Reuters news agency quotes witnesses as saying about 15 people armed with handguns pushed aside uniformed police and forced the three activists into waiting cars.
Shortly before they were detained, the activists announced they were canceling a campus protest and demonstrations in front of the United Nations offices in the capital because they feared a backlash from government security forces.
Students had earlier called the protests to mark the fourth anniversary of violent clashes between students and security forces that led to the death of one student.
Authorities in Iran have banned any commemoration of the 1999 student-police clashes by prohibiting any rallies, closing campus dormitories, postponing summer exams and vowing to crack down on any unrest.
During 10 nights of student-led protests in June, there were frequent clashes between students and security forces. The protesters were critical of Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's most powerful figure, as well as the slow pace of reforms under President Mohammad Khatami. The protests came to an end after a police crackdown in which thousands were arrested.
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=65F348A3-E149-43BF-B97AB756B97A62EA
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posted on
07/09/2003 11:26:15 AM PDT
by
DoctorZIn
(IranAzad... The July 9th protests and strikes have begun!)
To: DoctorZIn
The police fighting the militia...now that's great.
To: Travis McGee
They had help...which they freely admitted to.
That's why it's held and will continue to hold as long as we have sufficient numbers who are true to that and the principles upon which it rests, the primary of which (IMHO) is the free will acceptance of the fundamental moral underpinning.
To: DoctorZIn
To: DoctorZIn
Reuters news agency quotes witnesses as saying about 15 people armed with handguns pushed aside uniformed police and forced the three activists into waiting cars. Looks like Hizbollah is taking over Iran. The police and army better get a hold on this pretty quick or the people of Iran are doomed. They'll be living like the Palestinians in no time at all.
To: DoctorZIn
Not good news...either the taking of these three, or the cancellation of the protests. Sounds compelled and contrives to me.
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