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Diabetes Diet War (Hint: High carbing doesn't work)
US News ^ | 7/14/03 | Dara Mayers

Posted on 07/08/2003 12:20:27 PM PDT by Nov3

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To: Ladysmith
Lots of little American girls these days already have breasts at 6 and 7, and I understand this is due to the high soy content of their diets (it's in EVERYTHING). Scary.
201 posted on 07/10/2003 6:44:39 AM PDT by Nov3
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To: Ladysmith
Study Shows That Too Much Tofu Induces "Brain Aging"

Oh Boy, does THAT explain a lot!! LOL!!

202 posted on 07/10/2003 7:52:07 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: utahagen
You know, when I first read your 2-weeks-of-ice-cream diet I thought, Good Lord, this woman is nuts! But then I remembered when I was young and working at a donut shop. I lived on donuts and coffee and was thin as a rail because I wasn't taking in that many calories. I ate about 4 donuts a day and drank coffee. That was it. (It was free and I was broke, so....) Anyway. Good luck to you! Congrats on the 7 lbs so far!
203 posted on 07/10/2003 8:06:58 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Your posting made me laugh ("Good Lord, this woman is nuts!"). Thanks for the best wishes. As I said (typed), I'll be switching to healthier food this weekend. The ice cream just helped me stick with dieting until I had some momentum. (Next time, maybe I'll try donuts!) Thanks again for making me laugh.
204 posted on 07/10/2003 8:32:13 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Dutchgirl
Thanks for your post. I read the Carbo Addicts' Diet a couple of years ago and thought it made sense. I'll buy a copy today. Thanks for your post, which may turn out to be another answer to my prayer.
205 posted on 07/10/2003 8:33:50 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: SamAdams76
Thanks for your post. Kudos on your weight loss! Keep it going. I am inspired by your determination.

What you wrote has confirmed that my insticnt not to tell anyone was on-the-money. I am seeing friends in two weeks and by that time, as you said, it will be too late for them to argue with success. (Plus, I'll be off the ice cream by then anyway.)

I just said a little prayer that you keep chugging along with your weight loss. We're all in this together.
206 posted on 07/10/2003 8:37:33 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: SamAdams76; A_perfect_lady; retrokitten; Ladysmith; Investment Biker; Hinoki Cypress; jennyp; ...
I'm having problems with the "Induction phase" of Atkins. His book gives only one sample menu which includes avocados for breakfast. (I'm fresh out of avocados at the moment.) And where do you find those "low carb" snacks he recommends?

So far today, I've eaten 3 eggs and a handful of little sausages, water, & a McDonald's Chicken Ceasar salad (the large kind). I'm at a loss as to what else to eat, although I'm still hungry. It's still a long time to dinner. And what do you do about those thin slivers of carrots and little chuncks of cabbage in your salad? Not really allowed on Induction, I think. Do I have to skip them?

Mostly, I'm starting to have that "munchy" craving where you want to bite into a big slice of French bread -- just something to chew, chew, CHEW. If I'm starting to have these feelings on Day 2, I have no hope of making it to Day 14.

Any suggestions?

207 posted on 07/10/2003 10:56:38 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: utahagen
The ice cream just helped me stick with dieting until I had some momentum...

When I was about 15 (a long time ago) I found an "ice cream diet" in Family Circle. No kidding. There were menus for every meal, and the cornerstone was 1/3 of a pint of ice cream a day. I was too young to get a job, so I put my whole family (my mother, father, and myself) on it for the summer. I did a LOT of cooking, and buying all that ice cream in PINTS so that I could cut an exact measurement for dessert just made them all laugh.

Mom was getting her Master's Degree and Dad was teaching for the summer, so they didn't have to worry about meals. I'm sure that they snuck food when I wasn't looking, but we all had fun and lost some weight in the process. Kept me out of trouble, doing all the planning and shopping, although I struck up a romance with the butcher's helper!

208 posted on 07/10/2003 11:03:37 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: utahagen
Actually, I think that ice cream diet was from Seventeen, now that I think about it.
209 posted on 07/10/2003 11:06:29 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: sinkspur
Splenda's not a glutamate

Where do you get it?

210 posted on 07/10/2003 11:09:19 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: retrokitten
Carbolite bars and candies are sent from Heaven, but eat them sparingly. LOL!

Where do you find them?

211 posted on 07/10/2003 11:10:59 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
You can get splenda at the supermarket, or at discount stores like Target. I've seen huge boxes of it at Costco. Carbolite stuff I see at Trader Joe's, but I have heard that WalGreens also carries it. You can also do a search for low-carb foods and find a variety of websites that sell the Atkins and other products.

I had to go off the Atkins - it was just too extreme for me. I'm still doing a high protein, kinda-low carb regime called Body RX, and it IS working for me, and I can live with the menus. Fruit is allowed and encouraged with this one, but it is still a high protein way of eating. I have lost weight and feel good, and don't feel deprived.

If you are wondering what to crunch on, try veggies like bell peppers, celery with a little bit of cream cheese, and jicama. These are low carb, and nice and crunchy.
212 posted on 07/10/2003 11:16:15 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw
...try veggies like bell peppers, celery with a little bit of cream cheese, and jicama. These are low carb, and nice and crunchy.

I notice you DON'T mention carrot sticks. Weight Watchers allows you all the carrot sticks you can eat. I can gain weight on carrot sticks -- especially now that they come prewashed in packages at the supermarket! LOL :)

Your suggestions are good, but it's hard to remember those easy answers when you are in the throws of the "munchies" and there are no vegetables near your desk at the office! Note: bring a veggie tray tomorrow.

213 posted on 07/10/2003 11:36:16 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Good snacks...

Deviled eggs, hardboiled eggs, smoked salmon with cream cheese, cucumber or celery with cream cheese, 4 percent cottage cheese, cheddar cheese on salami, turkey and swiss rollups, cold rotisserie chicken, bacon, pork rinds, heavy cream sweetened with Splenda and a tiny splash of vanilla extract...

I know this doesn't help if you're stuck at an office right now. If I were you I might order more than one salad at a time. Eat as much protein and fat as you need to feel satisfied. I used to have to order 2 deli sandwiches just to have enough legal fillings to fill up on.

After induction, heavy cream, berries and Splenda is our standard after dinner snack. MMMMMMM!

214 posted on 07/10/2003 11:38:39 AM PDT by Katie_Colic
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To: Katie_Colic
Good ideas. I'm going to boil a dozen eggs as soon as I get home tonight. And get some better greens for my salads. And celery, while I'm at it.

Funny that you mention more than one salad. I bought two (one for my husband who was stuck in a meeting). It was all I could do to keep from eating it before he got out of the meeting!

215 posted on 07/10/2003 11:45:01 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Nope, no carrots. Lots of sugar in those.

You're having a snack attack at the office?

Put down the quarters and step away from the vending machine...
216 posted on 07/10/2003 12:03:37 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I think you can order them from thier website (I don't know the exact site off the top of my head, but a google search should find it) and Trader Joes also has them. I think I've even seen them at Walgreens.
217 posted on 07/10/2003 12:12:28 PM PDT by retrokitten (That Simpson. He thinks he's the Pope of Chili Town.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Found the Carbolite website! Carbolite Direct
218 posted on 07/10/2003 12:15:04 PM PDT by retrokitten (That Simpson. He thinks he's the Pope of Chili Town.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Nice list of options from Katie_Colic. Some more ideas for me also.

String cheese wrapped individually, some veggies like broccoli or cauliflower with a small container of Marie's Dressings used as a dip. Italian Garlic and Blue Cheese are good Marie's dressings for us, just watch the carb content on the other flavors like French and Thousand Island. Make sure you get a good helping of fat in your meals and snacks as the fat is what makes you feel full. Olive oil in your fried eggs, melted butter on your green beans or spinach...gotta get that fat in there. I also keep in my purse the tuna in the new pouches with a plastic fork and a little salt, they're really handy when you're on the run. I just need to locate the 1 serving packets of mayonaise to add with the tuna so it isn't so dry and add that necessary fat.

The first few days can be nasty ones because you may go through carb withdrawls. Atkins addresses this on page 141 of the New Diet Revolution book. He also mentioned in his last book that if the weakness some get in their legs is too bothersome, go ahead and increase your carb intake a bit. I went to 28 carbs for a couple days and it really helped out. One other thing, if you have a problem with constipation, I suggest metamucil capsules. They're the easiest to take, two a meal has helped tremendously.

As for the snacks, Walmart has been the cheapest on the pricey Atkins foods. I've found the bars and drinks in the health section near the pharmacy. The peanut butter bars are the best tasting. Walgreens has been the second cheapest here, after that, whether grocery stores in the health food sections or GNC, I've paid $1 more a bar than I do at Walmart. Atkins also has ketchup, barbeque sauce, different breads and muffin mixes - all pricey and doesn't taste as great as the originals. BUT it's the one time will power and sacrifice are actually paying off because the diet works and my health is slowly improving.

Here's a recipe my sister found years ago, has been a favorite of ours and turns out to be a perfect Atkins meal!:

Chicken Cheese Rolls

3 large chicken breast, deboned and split
8 ounces whipped cream cheese with chives
1 tbsp butter - divided into 3 parts
6 slices of bacon

Pound the chicken to 1/2" thickness. Scoop 1/3 of the cream cheese mixture onto the chicken and dab with 1 part of butter. Fold the chicken around the cream cheese into a ball and wrap 2 strips of bacon around the chicken, picking into place. Put the three chicken rolls into a small baking pan, opening side down. Bake on the top rack at 400 degrees for 40 minutes, then broil 5 minutes. (Just a note from myself: Keep an eye on it when broiling it. I tend to burn up food fast when broiling.)

When you have one of these with something like buttered green beans and alot of water, you won't be hungry for quite a while! (Actually sounds kind of good for tonight...) Softened cream cheese on any chicken is good anyway, however, this recipe is quite the treat.

219 posted on 07/10/2003 12:36:44 PM PDT by Ladysmith (Land of the Free Because of the BRAVE!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
--Pretty soon everyone around me was analyzing every morsel that went into my mouth.
I think diet over analysis can be bad for one's health :-]
220 posted on 07/10/2003 12:46:42 PM PDT by aSkeptic (I am a computer chair critic, so please don't get too excited.)
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