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Not looking good for NASA's openess WRT to safety issues.
1 posted on 07/08/2003 12:20:27 PM PDT by anymouse
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2 posted on 07/08/2003 12:20:48 PM PDT by anymouse
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3 posted on 07/08/2003 12:21:09 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: anymouse
Wow -- that's a biggie. I wonder if this was disclosed during the anomaly assessment briefings. And if not, would the mission managers have decided differently if they'd known about it?
4 posted on 07/08/2003 12:22:51 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: anymouse
Was this before or after the new eco-friendly foam was used?
5 posted on 07/08/2003 12:24:44 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: anymouse
This is the first I've heard of this. This is BAD! This means NASA safety knew about this hazard, and did nothing.
6 posted on 07/08/2003 12:25:16 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: KevinDavis
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8 posted on 07/08/2003 12:29:06 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel and Priscilla!)
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9 posted on 07/08/2003 12:32:40 PM PDT by MrConfettiMan (Brain tumor survivor since August 19, 2001. Striving, thriving and surviving each and every day.)
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10 posted on 07/08/2003 12:45:07 PM PDT by da_toolman (Don't tread on me.)
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To: anymouse; XBob
This is really sad. Time was, the astronauts were briefed on every little thing that went wrong or was unexplained.

I guess this must be the "faster, better, cheaper" paradigm...

12 posted on 07/08/2003 12:53:05 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: bonesmccoy
Ahem...
NASA blamed the Atlantis damage on improper installation of a seal between two protective panels on the shuttle's left wing, "called a butterfly gap filler," at the Boeing Co. plant in Palmdale, Calif., during an overhaul of Atlantis in late 1997. The mistake went unnoticed during subsequent inspections because the part could not be seen without removing protective panels, NASA said.

13 posted on 07/08/2003 12:56:19 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: anymouse
While I'm generally pretty quick to damn NASA, and I think deservedly so, this entry of super-heated gases needs to be quantified. Was it a minor event with only a small tell-tail sign, or was it significant.

I will admit that any leak at all has the potention to become a larger leak, so I don't seek to minimize this too much. It is serious. And the fact that it was kept secret bothers me.

NASA doesn't seem to have much if any credibility left as far as I am concerned.
14 posted on 07/08/2003 1:00:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: anymouse
Remember the good old days when the crew was sitting on top of the rocket with no chance of getting slammed by any falling debris...?
15 posted on 07/08/2003 1:00:42 PM PDT by RoughDobermann
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Isn't hindsight wonderful. The fact is that since there had been a breach without serious consequences there was a false sense that there would be NO dire consequences in the future.
17 posted on 07/08/2003 1:18:39 PM PDT by OldFriend ((BUSH/CHENEY 2004))
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To: anymouse
I can understand if kids grow up not wanting to be astronauts.
18 posted on 07/08/2003 1:19:51 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (When the government controls all information, they control you.)
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Well, well, well. Given the fact that NASA totally denied any possibility of wing damage after the crash and arrogantly refused to check for wing damage after the launch shows criminal negligence that should lead to the prosecution of top NASA officials.

Don't hold your breath.


Erik
19 posted on 07/08/2003 1:21:52 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: anymouse
They had "burn-thru" on previous missions.

I recall photographing several over the years from 1988 to 1998 when I worked at the Cape. They were minor, yet they did "slag" the aluminum structure in places.

As I recall, the ones I shot occurred in the gap-filler area of the tiles. Perhaps missing or damaged gap-filler.

21 posted on 07/08/2003 1:53:06 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Freepers, a fierce warlike tribe from FreeRepublic.com)
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To: anymouse
Best summary so far, the only problem with the article is that it neglects to mention that the Vice President (Al - Wolfman - Gore) is in charge of the space program...


Did PC Science Cause Shuttle Disaster?


Friday, February 07, 2003
By Steven Milloy
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77832,00.html

NASA is reconsidering whether tank foam debris caused the Columbia disaster. That’s quite a shift from days earlier when the foam was the "leading candidate" -- an explanation that quickly became embarrassing.

We may never know precisely what happened to Columbia, but one thing should be clear -- NASA should not be in charge of investigating itself.

A chunk of foam insulation broke off the external fuel tank during launch, perhaps damaging Columbia’s heat-protecting tiles. “We’re making the assumption that the external tank was the root cause of the accident,” said shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore in the immediate aftermath.

It seemed a very reasonable assumption based on Columbia’s history.

Until 1997, Columbia’s external fuel tanks were insulated with a Freon-based foam. Freon is a chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) supposedly linked with ozone depletion and phased out of widespread use under the international treaty known as the Montreal Protocol.

Despite that the Freon-based foam worked well and that an exemption from the CFC phase-out could have been obtained, NASA succumbed to political correctness. The agency substituted an allegedly more eco-friendly foam for the Freon-based foam.

PC-foam was an immediate problem.

The first mission with PC-foam resulted in 11 times more damaged thermal tiles on Columbia than the previous mission with the Freon-based foam.

A Dec. 23, 1997, diary entry on the NASA Web site reported: “308 hits were counted during the inspection, 132 were greater than 1-inch. Some of the hits measured 15 inches long, with depths measuring up to 1.5 inches. Considering that the depth of a tile is 2 inches, a 75 percent penetration depth had been reached.”

More than 100 tiles were damaged beyond repair, well over the normal count of 40. Flaking PC-foam was the chief suspect.

In 2001, the Environmental Protection Agency exempted NASA from the CFC phase-out. Even assuming for the sake of argument that widespread use of CFCs might significantly damage the ozone layer, the relatively small amount used by NASA would have no measurable impact. The bulk of CFC use, after all, was in consumer products such as air conditioners, refrigerators and aerosol cans.

But contrary to the exercise of common sense, NASA didn’t return to the safer Freon-based foam. Instead, NASA knowingly continued to risk tile damage -- and disaster -- with reformulated PC-foam.

This is obviously a potentially embarrassing situation for NASA.

In what smacks of an effort to avoid blame, NASA is now claiming the disintegration of Columbia has turned into a scientific mystery.

NASA says computer modeling fails to show how foam insulation striking the thermal tiles could do enough damage to cause catastrophe -- apparently ignoring that flaking foam substantially penetrated thermal tiles on an earlier flight.

NASA has even offered up the ultimate exculpatory theory -- that space junk or even a meteor could have hit the wing and damage the thermal tiles.

It’s certainly possible that a force majeure could have caused the disaster. But I’d like to see qualified independent experts come to that improbable conclusion.

Instead, NASA administrator Sean O’Keefe has activated the Space Shuttle Mishap Interagency Investigation Board. The board is a standing panel created by NASA in the mid-1990s. Its members are generals and other senior bureaucrats from the Department of Transportation -- except that no one from the National Transportation Safety Board is on the panel.

The appearance of independence is lacking. The board is a NASA creation. Its senior government bureaucrats may be reluctant to blame fellow senior bureaucrats. I also wonder whether the panel members personally possess the requisite technical expertise to investigate the accident.

The combination of NASA’s “lone meteor theory” and self-anointed commission strikes me as eerily similar to the Warren Commission and its controversial, if not dubious “lone gunman theory” for the assassination of President Kennedy.

Further, NASA previously dismantled its supposedly “independent” Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel after it questioned the agency’s long-term plans for safety.

NASA is not above pulling the wool over the public’s eyes for its own benefit.

Facing significant budget cuts in 1997, NASA produced the “Mars rock” -- a softball-sized meteorite found in Antarctica in 1984 containing complex organic molecules. Hoping to boost interest in the agency’s mission -- and its budget -- NASA boasted the rock was “evidence of primitive life on early Mars.”

Mars rock soon turned out to be Mars crock. Independent scientists arrived at a much more plausible Earth-bound explanation for the presence of the organic molecules.

NASA is an agency under pressure -- its mission is unclear and its budget demands are high. The last thing NASA needs is for its political correctness or other avoidable errors on the part of the agency to be the cause of the Columbia disaster.

The investigation into what happened to Columbia needs to be turned over to a truly independent and qualified commission -- and before the evidentiary trail starts to disappear.
31 posted on 07/08/2003 4:33:10 PM PDT by max_rpf
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The shuttle is a death trap.
33 posted on 07/08/2003 5:57:43 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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43 posted on 07/08/2003 8:50:53 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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Age of manned riding rockets into space and back again, is coming to an end, within next 25-30 years it will likely be a thing of the past.
76 posted on 10/17/2003 3:30:38 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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