Proposition 187, Arizona-style

E-mail | 7 July 2003 | Kathy McKee

[goldstategop]

I support it. Unfortunately the ACLU is going to get a liberal federal judge to strike it down. Guaranteed and Janet Napolitano just loves them illegals.

[goldstategop]

Liberals believe in democracy but not for the average American riffraff. They must know their place as do as they're told by their betters.

[Boomer2]

hsmomx3: Where can one sign these petitions?

http://www.pan2004.com or write to info@pan2004.com I'm sure it's awash in hate spam; but that will go away quickly as the spam filters get updated....

[Boomer2]

Tucson Daily Star's POLL: Please vote quickly. http://regulus.azstarnet.com/hourlyupdate/story.php?id=52http://regulus.azstarnet.com/hourlyupdate/story.php?id=52

The poll and the article are gone. Guess the liberals must have their pressure tactics on the move.

[Empire_of_Liberty]

I don't think it's that hard to figure out. Both R's and D's favor illegal immigration for the same reason they're now giving tax breaks to people who don't pay taxes to have kids. Without immigration and encouragement to reproduce (especially people at the bottom of the social strata) this country's population would be shrinking.

A shrinking population would expose the Social Security ponzi scheme. It also means that in a society where there is upward mobility, there won't be enough people at the bottom propping things up.

A shrinking population means a shrinking economy, and who wants to be in charge of that?

[Joe Hadenuf]

Oh, so this invasion of *millions* has helped our economy?

[JackelopeBreeder]

That's just one of the Star's temporary links. They usually last only 24 hours as most of the stories are still drafts. If the story is important enough it usually gets a permanent link the following day.

[Empire_of_Liberty]

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of the invasion. I was explaining what I see as our fearless political leaders' reasoning for favoring it.

I suppose from their veiw, yes, it has helped the economy. The invaders are a source of labor and tax revenues. I imagine that if you could get a truthfull statement from anyone in Washington it would be something like, "Well, if the American people won't reproduce in the numbers to support us in the style to which we've become accustomed, we'll import people who will!"

[Marine Inspector]

The poll and the article are gone.

It was only up for an hour, as part of their hourly update page.

I'll try and find out were they archive it.

[MARTIAL MONK]

Yep. By ASU for KAET. The same poll found 67% believed the war in Iraq was justified. That can't be right because we know 138% supported it. If we ignore and discount these polls we will lose more than the Governorship and deservedly so. I'm still waiting for the pop.

[JackelopeBreeder]

It's now on the right side bar at www.azstarnet.com/border.

[lawdude]

"What was it one of Az poster's said the approval rating for Butch was ... something like 68%?"

That vote was taken at "Hamburger Mary's" on 7th Street, just north of C'back. Reminds you of the Blue Oyster Bar in the Police Academy series!

[Marine Inspector]

Thanks

Do you think the movement to limit illegal immigration is motivated by racism?

Yes		14%
No		83%
Not sure		1%
	298 votes

[Kuksool]

{Do you think the movement to limit illegal immigration is motivated by racism?}

Talk about a push poll!

[Marine Inspector]

LOL,yep.

[DLfromthedesert]

LOL!!! So what IS her approval rating? Do we really have a chance at a recall?

I've never enjoyed spitting in the wind.

[lawdude]

I don't think you could get an unbiased poll here in the valley. The pollsters all lean (slant, fall, are obviously) left.

I would guess she is slightly below 50% but not enough to get a recall We will have to suffer until the next election. Hopefully we can find a decent, conservative, honest, thoughtful and presentable candidate.

[MARTIAL MONK]

I live in New Mexico but I have strong ties to Arizona. I probably spend more time in Arizona than NM. I haven't seen anything to contradict these polls. The Rs are carrying a lot of baggage. If Napolitano can run a scandal free administration she will be reelected easily. Jim Pederson bought the election for her last time. He won't need to next time.

McCain is popular and will win any primary and the general easily. He is the titular head of the Republican party and has the highest approval rating.

I don't attribute this to any leadership on the part of the Democrats but the lack of the same by Republicans. Squaw Peak by any other name is still Squaw Peak but Arizona loved her sticking it to the Rs. A Pinto Democrat will always vote Democrat.

[DLfromthedesert]

Excuse me, what baggage? Fighting for people to keep more of their own money?

Absent a scandal? Butch IS a scandal!!

[MARTIAL MONK]

Excuse me, what baggage?

Well, let me see . . . Things like the impeachment and removal of one Governor, Burton Barr buying land in the path of the freeways and sticking it to the state, indictment and conviction of another Governor, alt fuels fiasco, raiding the MLK fund, corruption in the Corporation Commission, the rise and fall of the Phoenix Forty, even Azscam. Yeah, I know some can be argued to death, but they have been deeply etched in the public perception.

Something is very wrong when voters will take a bull dyke over Matt Salmon and we need to fix it now. Remember it was the Rs that made Arizona one of the highest taxed states in the Union even though Fife unwound that a bit. The old Arizona is gone, dead, kapoot, in Boot Hill. We have to work with the new dynamics.

If we can't convince the legions of the underclass that they are better off with a job than a handout, then we deserve to lose. In 25 years the average income in Arizona will be just 60% of the national average. That's 3/5s as in you know what. Some major adjustment is necessary.

Yesterday, after my previous post, I met an old cowboy type spitting venom at Rs in general and Bush in particular. There really is disconnect when he will choose a carpet muncher over the party of Goldwater.