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Proposition 187, Arizona-style
E-mail | 7 July 2003 | Kathy McKee

Posted on 07/07/2003 3:39:59 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Kathy McKee JULY 4, 2003 PHONE: 623.225.7122

NEWS RELEASE . NEWS CONFERENCE ANNOUNCING BIGGEST POLITICAL NEWS IN ARIZONA FOR 2003 PROPOSITION 187-TYPE INITIATIVE HEADING FOR AZ BALLOT 10 a.m. Tuesday, July 8, 2003 State Capitol . 1700 W. Washington, Phoenix, AZ . House Hearing Room 4-5

The Protect Arizona NOW Committee has filed application with the Arizona Secretary of State to begin collecting signatures for a citizens' initiative similar to California's Proposition 187 for the 2004 ballot in Arizona. The Arizona Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act would ban the use of taxpayer funds for all state and local programs, services, and benefits for illegal aliens, except those mandated by federal law.

Committee Director Kathy McKee states, "The original Prop 187 in California passed with about a 2/3 majority and in all counties except eight in and around San Francisco. State and local officials-especially the current Governor, Phoenix City Council, and Tucson City Council, seem determined to tax citizens to death and run our entire state into perpetual bankruptcy supporting people who legally should be deported.

So we, the citizens of this state, have no other choice but to pursue and pass this initiative. We have been organizing for months and have the early stages of a great network and system in place to anticipate a greater margin of victory here than in California."

Committee Treasurer, local businessman Rusty Childress, adds, "The people of Arizona have heard more than enough of state and local officials' lame excuse that illegal immigration is a federal problem. Clearly, the federal government is endangering the whole country by not putting the military on our own borders-like the vast majority of Americans want done, but a lot of the underlying problem is that state and local governments have created a mammoth welfare state-illegally, with taxpayers' money-that attracts illegals here. These traitorous bureaucrats thumb their noses at their legal constituents and blatantly violate laws, even U.S. Supreme Court decisions. If elected leaders don't have the courage or integrity to stop this nonsense right now, the citizens of this state do have it and will stop it. "

McKee contends, "The real villain in the illegal immigration crisis is every level of 'our' own government (and I use the word "our" very loosely). However, I dare say every person coming across that border illegally knows they are breaking our laws. Even for those who say they are coming here to try to improve their lives, poverty is no excuse to break laws-and we surely can't take in the 4-5 billion people on this planet who are poorer than Central Americans. I love Arizona, and I am furious how government officials are just giving it away-and using taxpayers' money to do it. Why? Why? Why? The average Arizonan has no idea how many hundreds of millions of their tax dollars go to support programs and benefits for illegal aliens."

Senior Advisors to the Committee, Arizona House Majority Whip Randy Graf and House Appropriations Chairman Russell Pearce, will be on the news conference panel to better explain the fiscal impact and irresponsibility of spending public funds on people illegally in this country.

McKee concludes, "Instead of Emailing back and forth and griping to each other, it's truly now or never for the citizens of Arizona to demand accountability and enforcement of our laws by government officials. It's hard to believe America has become a place where citizens have to force their own government to obey laws."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 187; aliens; illegals; taxes
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To: Poohbah
Without it, it will be picked to pieces, they'll end up with nothing. No it was not the language that shot down 187, it was the politicos, our so-called leaders that were hell bent on destroying it. I repeat, they have no desire to stop this invasion of million, regardless of how it was written, or who wrote it. It's not in their agenda....
21 posted on 07/07/2003 4:04:39 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Poohbah
Look, for all the technicalities and legal mumbo jumbo haggling, the *bottom line* is that our government is clearly against stopping this invasion. Want proof? Go look at any city in the southwest and beyond......Want more proof, nothing has changed since 911 as millions from Lord knows where continue to flood into our country.
22 posted on 07/07/2003 4:08:40 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: DLfromthedesert; dittomom
McCain also had a high approval rate and some nice lady Freeper was getting ready to get him recalled...
23 posted on 07/07/2003 4:09:33 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
BUMP Committee Director Kathy McKee states, "The original Prop 187 in California passed with about a 2/3 majority and in all counties except eight in and around San Francisco. State and local officials-especially the current Governor, Phoenix City Council, and Tucson City Council, seem determined to tax citizens to death and run our entire state into perpetual bankruptcy supporting people who legally should be deported.

Wait until it passes and a judge tells people they don't know how to vote and vetoes it. Then you'll hear shreiking. Probably a few gunshots too...

24 posted on 07/07/2003 4:14:19 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (You bring tar, I'll bring feathers....recall Davis in 03!!!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Oh my God....I forgot to close my tags.

I remember when 187 was shot down. I'm still po'd....
25 posted on 07/07/2003 4:17:42 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (You bring tar, I'll bring feathers....recall Davis in 03!!!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Wait until it passes and a judge tells people they don't know how to vote and vetoes it. Then you'll hear shreiking. Probably a few gunshots too...

That's exactly what will happen. Everyone that cares to admit it, knows that the government has no intention of keeping millions of illegal aliens out of our country. For crying out loud, millions have already been born here from the mothers of illegals, as hundreds of thousands more continue to pour in, repeating this process thousands of times a day, everyday......LOL...

26 posted on 07/07/2003 4:20:11 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
How many liberal judges in AZ will later claim this kind of law is unconstitutional and disallow it as they quickly in California?
27 posted on 07/07/2003 4:28:47 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Pseudo conservatives are everywhere.)
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To: Howie; JackelopeBreeder
But won't this eventually wind up in front of the same ninth circus court of appeals?

The Prop #187 case never even made it to the 9th Circuit. Gray Davis illegally "abitrated" it away, after a federal judge, Mariana Pfaelzer, sat on it until Pete Wilson had almost left office.

Hopefully, a provision requiring AZ to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court will be written into the referendum there.


28 posted on 07/07/2003 4:30:29 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Joe Hadenuf; hchutch
Look, for all the technicalities and legal mumbo jumbo haggling

Those "technicalities" and "legal mumbo jumbo" are critical on something like this. If somebody can't be bothered to get it right the one and only time they get to write their ballot initiative or to make their case in a courtroom, then they damn well deserve to lose.

If you don't like that, Tango Sierra.

29 posted on 07/07/2003 4:36:00 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: Poohbah
Look Poo, if you really think the government has any intention of stemming this epic invasion, that has been going on now for *20* plus years, than your just swallowing more government bravo sierra.....
30 posted on 07/07/2003 4:38:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Poohbah
Prop 187 was, in part, a deliberate attempt to force a rehearing of Plyler v. Doe. Appellate courts are loathe to overturn Supreme Court rulings. Any decision on Plyler was only going to be resolved in the Supreme Court. The authors of the initiative should have known this.

There was no severability clause in Proposition 187. Without a severability clause, all that the opponents needed to do was get ONE very small piece of the initiative overturned, and the entire thing went with it. And it was 99% certain that some parts of the initiative were going to get shot down. The guys who wrote the initiative didn't think ahead, and the thing died right there.

Yeah, it was badly written. The opponents used that to get the whole thing thrown out. Tough s**t.

That isn't quite what happened.

Prop #187 was written to test Pyler vs. Doe, and since Gray Davis didn't have confidence that the SCOTUS wouldn't overturn Plyler, he got #187 arbtrated away in an unprecedented abuse of CA gubernatorial power.

That's how they got "the whole thing thrown out."

You're right, though, in a way... the guys who wrote #187 didn't anticipate that.


31 posted on 07/07/2003 4:47:31 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Good luck, Arizona!!! I'll be praying for ya's.
32 posted on 07/07/2003 4:53:52 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Everyone that cares to admit it, knows that the government has no intention of keeping millions of illegal aliens out of our country.

Kind of makes you wonder what the hell is going on, don't it? What kind of a devil's bargain have we struck with Mexico?

33 posted on 07/07/2003 4:57:07 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (You bring tar, I'll bring feathers....recall Davis in 03!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
That isn't quite what happened.

It's how the initial injunction was granted.

Prop #187 was written to test Pyler vs. Doe, and since Gray Davis didn't have confidence that the SCOTUS wouldn't overturn Plyler, he got #187 arbtrated away in an unprecedented abuse of CA gubernatorial power.

The executive branch is granted the authority to litigate--or NOT litigate--lawsuits brought against it.

To claim that Gray's use of the discretion inherent in his official powers was an "abuse of power" is downright silly.

You're right, though, in a way... the guys who wrote #187 didn't anticipate that.

Yeah, they didn't anticipate making 1,000,000 new voters who were convinced, courtesy of the lapdog media and their Democrat buddies, that the GOP was a bunch of sheetheads.

They didn't anticpate ensuring that California would vote Democrat for the next twenty years.

But the Democrats sure did. Hell, they were COUNTING on it.

34 posted on 07/07/2003 4:57:45 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
When Bush was governor of Texas, he spoke against prop 187.
35 posted on 07/07/2003 5:01:09 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Kind of makes you wonder what the hell is going on, don't it? What kind of a devil's bargain have we struck with Mexico?

And it's just not the Mexicans that are destroying our sovereignty and choking off our system. Even legal immigration would make one wonder. Look no further than Texas, as it has one of the *fastest* growing Mid Easterner population in the nation. And all this since 911....

36 posted on 07/07/2003 5:03:21 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: texastoo
When Bush was governor of Texas, he spoke against prop 187.

I know, and he didn't mention any legal wording. As I stated earlier, even Ray Charles can see this government has no intention of stopping this massive invasion. Quite the opposite really.

37 posted on 07/07/2003 5:05:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Best of luck to you all. I hope the endeavor sends a message to all politicians that regular folks are sick and tired of illegal immigration ruining our country, and have no desire of being a part of the Aztlan Dream.
38 posted on 07/07/2003 5:11:56 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Look no further than Texas, as it has one of the *fastest* growing Mid Easterner population in the nation. And all this since 911....

Pretty interesting. I really like George Bush, and I know he has his hands full, but what's going on? We need to put the brakes on this, and then put a stop to outsourcing all the darn jobs. I just don't get it.

39 posted on 07/07/2003 5:18:50 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (You bring tar, I'll bring feathers....recall Davis in 03!!!)
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To: Poohbah
that the GOP was a bunch of sheetheads.

That's not what makes the Mexicans vote a certain way ----notice how leftist they turned this election back in their own country? They rejected PAN which isn't really conservative by our standards but is the most conservative party in Mexico. They vote socialist and/or communist in Mexico and in the USA.

40 posted on 07/07/2003 5:31:10 PM PDT by FITZ
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