Posted on 07/06/2003 7:52:27 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
Woman Allegedly Throws Her Twin Infant Sons Into Mississippi River; One Child Still Missing
The Associated Press
ST. PAUL, Minn. July 6 — A woman allegedly threw her twin infant sons off a bridge into the Mississippi River, then jumped in herself, screaming incoherently as she fell 75 feet to the water, police said.
Several people who were at the river's edge for the city's July Fourth fireworks display Friday jumped in after them. A man rescued one of the 11-month-old boys, then pulled the mother to safety with the help of others.
By then, the second boy had disappeared, said police Cmdr. Brian Coyle.
Naomi Gaines, 24, and the rescued boy were expected to recover, though Gaines remained hospitalized Sunday and doctors were concerned that she could have internal injuries, Coyle said.
The other child was still missing Sunday and presumed drowned, Coyle said. Divers could not be sent into the river to search because of a swift current.
Coyle said Gaines, who has no criminal record, could face charges as early as Monday. She also has a 7-year-old son and a 4-year-old daughter, neighbors said.
She dropped the twins over the 5-foot railing of a bridge, then climbed over and jumped, witnesses said.
Coyle said the unidentified man who led the rescue of Gaines and her son put himself in harm's way by swimming out into the powerful current.
"It was heroic," Coyle said. "I'm impressed that a citizen would jump into the river and do what he did."
Witnesses said the woman kept screaming and resisted her rescuers.
"We were just sitting there, and we heard her screaming," said Erin Mac, who was among thousands of people at the river's edge. "She just kept screaming these bloodcurdling screams."
I'm beginning to think that some women who make posts in here are possessed by the devil. Until the advent of abortion, (the pillar and foundation of feminism), children were considered to be the greatest blessings from God. And God's blessings do not bring with them Satan or psychosis. This is why the traditional family was always so large. Post partum psychosis my arse, you're trying to save these wretched killers with psychobabble; chldren are God's gift to the world, and God doesn't attach demons or mental illness with their birth - in fact, quite the opposite. Jesus told us: "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me; but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea"., (Mathew 18: 1 - 6).
I suppose next you are going to tell me that homosexual perverts were born that way and can't help themselves.
Well if I had cable, I guess I could have seen it. As for the local 6pm news, I don't watch it, unless we FReeped somebody :)
"Since you are so emotionally involved with this topic, you should investigate the psychological and physiological differences between men and women. I'd venture a guess about your two examples...the mother was planning to leave the man. Am I right?"
You know what they say about judgement prior to investigation don't you? It's called prejudice, the prerequisite for all feminists. Thanks for proving my point for me dear.
Do you know what a guess is? Did I say the man was abusive? Did I say that the mother of his children was right to leave? Nope. If anything will make a man despondent enough to murder his children and kill himself, a threat against his right to father his children will do it. There is a big difference between despair, lunacy, and blind rage. I think you're being a little disingenuous about the examples you cited.
(a).Woman kills children and self; feminist conclusion = she's whacko.
(b). Man kills children and self; feminist conclusion = he was jilted.
Jilted? Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say jilted. In fact it never entered my mind.
I hope you're beginning to see your built-in prejudices and fermenting feminism by now. :o)
I don't think you bothered to read my last reply to you. Let me rephrase: it is not a lockstep feminist reaction when we recoil at the thought of a woman who kills her own baby. It is unthinkable to those of us who have children, heck most people in general feel sick thinking about it. Why? Because we are genetically and socially conditioned to believe that a mother won't hurt her own children. It is unnatural to us. Unthinkable! Something is wrong! Next time you bump into a feminist, why not ask her about how she feels about this particular case, because I'm not a feminist so I can't supply the reply you are looking for.
Abortion? No comment. If I agree with you about anything, I sure as hell won't admit it.
Hey, you're a barrel of laughs. Let's debate Susan Smith and Andrea Yates!!
PS: My daughter and son in law just read all this stuff and busted a gut laughing at the idea of me being a feminist. Have a nice evening.
Any comments, ladies?
You went too far this time. Heck, my HTML went out the window on that last post. You have a very real problem with women. Deal with it elsewhere. Nope, haven't hit the abuse button. The day I can't debate someone without whining to mommy, is the day I hang up my mouse.
I suppose next you are going to tell me that homosexual perverts were born that way and can't help themselves.
Tell ya what: I'd rather invite some gay dude to my next bbq than you!!! Where the hell do you get off spewing hate speech on this website? We're talking about a tragedy, but you twist everyone's words, then you start quoting the bible? You inject crap about homosexuals into a thread that has nothing to do with homosexuality? Now you are a complete total asshole....
Like President Bush said: "bring them on". It will be interesting to watch your peers use psychobabble to defend mothers who kill their children. Like I said before, I am patiently awaiting this group to prove they are not feminists by defending the male child killers with a similar defense. And until I see such a defense you will only continue to prove me to be correct.
"Jilted? Don't put words into my mouth. I didn't say jilted. In fact it never entered my mind."
Your two consecutive posts are totally incongruent. First you make the guess that the mother was planning to leave the man, then you make the claim that the man being jilted never entered your mind as a reason for his murders. Huh? Are you now saying that a wife planning to leave her husband isn't "jilting" him? This is getting ridiculous.
But back to the original point. Wife kills children and commits suicide. While the story is still breaking I read posts about her "post-partum depression" being a mitigating factor, and the fact that somebody said they heard her screaming. Automatic assumption by the feminists = "She must be whacko".
Now, man kills children and commits suicide. Automatic conclusion = "I would venture a guess his wife was planning on leaving him...". I'd like to know why you wouldn't "venture a guess" that he was clinically depressed and on meds as a first thought? Why the unequal balance of empathy or unequal ability to give the same benefit of the doubt to both sexes? Just curious.
The only abuse is coming from your address, not from here. The analogy between modern women who murder and then use nature, (post partum depression), as an excuse for their actions is directly related to homosexuals of this generation who also use nature, ("we were born this way"), to defend their actions. I thought you would be perceptive enough to see the correltation. But this debate is over, I don't have to take your abusive language, and I won't.
You are nowhere near President Bush's caliber. Don't ever quote him again.
I'm putting together a profile of you. Your wife got tired of your crap, she left you and took the kids. The judge sized you up and denied visitation for everyone's protection. You are marginally employed, despite your claims otherwise. You live in a basement apartment and you are obsessed with the notion that all women are evil.
It will be interesting to watch your peers use psychobabble to defend mothers who kill their children. Like I said before, I am patiently awaiting this group to prove they are not feminists by defending the male child killers with a similar defense.
Yeah if they want to bother posting to a little crybaby. I tried to debate you intellectualy, and you whipped out the Bible. Hell hath no fury like a weak man scorned...
Are they now. You didn't provide court transcripts, so for the third time, I'm making a guess. Do you know that the definition for "jilt" is to cast off or desert a lover or sweetheart. I was talking more about running for your life. You are ridiculous.
But back to the original point. Wife kills children and commits suicide. While the story is still breaking I read posts about her "post-partum depression" being a mitigating factor, and the fact that somebody said they heard her screaming. Automatic assumption by the feminists = "She must be whacko".
She didn't commit suicide. Reread the original article. In fact another poster added some new info to this story. Dude I'm sorry you got burned, but don't ever lump all of us into a feminist category...
Hahahaa, unlike people like you, I don't abuse this website. You just insulted some really nice ladies who post on this site. Heck, you have just insulted everyone's intelligence. I thought you would be perceptive enough to see the correltation. But this debate is over, I don't have to take your abusive language, and I won't.
My abusive language? Can I hear a BUMP for "projection"? Dude you are a mess. Get a damn life...
A week is not enough time to understand local culture, but an oddity I noticed from the first day there was that while Minnneapolis/St. Paul prides itself on being an orderly locus of Midwestern family values, there are an uncommon number of shambling, stumbling, ranting mental cases filling the streets. Where do they come from? What kind of care are they getting, in a society that seems willing to hand out assistance to just about everybody?
I say the punishment for murder is death.
Signed: H2BMe (A 6'1" 215lb man)
God this is funny, I always thought you were a woman!
I don't think too many of us would disagree that the penalty for murder is death. However it takes a court of law to define murder by degrees...
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