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1 posted on 07/05/2003 10:36:01 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
actually, if you really believe in the intent of the writers of the second amendment, the right to keep and bear arms is for the men, who at that time were private citizens, who would come forth in times of emergency, and it was necessary for them to keep military weapons on hand for such times. Which means we should all be REQUIRED to keep assault weapons and automatic weapons on hand, "just in case", it is a sign of the times.
2 posted on 07/05/2003 10:49:02 PM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: LdSentinal
Given recent rulings handed down by the Nine, I'm not certain that I want them to hear any gun rights cases.
3 posted on 07/05/2003 10:49:57 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: LdSentinal
This is very bad timing. After the rulings recently, it's obvious this court is a lot more liberal than we thought. If we lose a case like this, we're dead meat. The Republic rests upon three boxes: The ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box. If we are to avoid using the third one, we need to make maximum use of the first two. Timing is everything. We need to put another Scalia or two on the high court, then I will feel a bit safer.
4 posted on 07/05/2003 10:50:11 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1911A1: The ORIGINAL "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: *bang_list
California gun grabber law and Supreme Court *bang
7 posted on 07/05/2003 11:42:39 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: LdSentinal
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The Constitution enumerates an individual Right to keep and bear arms.

States do not have God given Rights.

To argue that the Second Amendment only applies to the Federal governent and that State governments may infringe on that Right is sophistry.

9 posted on 07/05/2003 11:49:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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If these b@sards rule against the 2nd admendment like they have on everything else, it'll be the beginning of the next civil war! From my cold dead hands!
10 posted on 07/05/2003 11:59:00 PM PDT by Bommer (Tom Dasshole is a Domestic Enemy!!!)
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To: LdSentinal
Furthermore, whenever anyone uses the term States Rights, we should be on them like ugly on an ape.

The Tenth Amendment grants broad, unenumerated powers to States.

Powers, enumerated or otherwise, do not trump a God given Right.

11 posted on 07/06/2003 12:07:36 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: LdSentinal; All
>The 9th Circuit panel said the amendment's intent was to protect gun rights of >militias, not individuals

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a group of people actually tried to form a "militia" and asserted their rights to own and defend their homes with guns wouldn't they, in this crazy political climate, all be hauled away tossed in the can?

Wouldn't they also be most probably hooked up in some way to terrorist or subversive activities and held without benifit of habeas corpus? In other words, not specifically charged with a crime, just held in jail??

14 posted on 07/06/2003 1:12:17 AM PDT by FractalSphere
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"liberal leaning 9th Court of Appeals" ?

The author is some sort of joker, right?

It's left of Stalin!!
17 posted on 07/06/2003 6:17:54 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: LdSentinal
Typcial bias, the VPC is quoted but no gun rights groups are.
20 posted on 07/06/2003 6:44:13 AM PDT by coloradan
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This is the worst SC I have ever seen.
Let us hope that they don't "take on" this sensitive subjuct!
26 posted on 07/06/2003 8:01:03 AM PDT by mickie
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To: LdSentinal
After this last batch of rulings by our Supreme Court aka New Masters, I have zero faith they will render the correct decision based on the Constitution.

There are no "emanations of penumbras" there to divine, therefore they will merely throw out the clear meaning of the original documents, Founding Fathers' commentary, such judicial lions as Chief Justice Story and centuries-long established precedent and law. Instead, they will come up with some new mumbo-jumbo saying none of the above meant what was plainly wrote and said, and therefore they are changing it to what they want it to say!

A pox on these jerks - purposely leaving out Rhenquist, Scalia and Thomas, of course!

34 posted on 07/06/2003 10:25:22 AM PDT by Gritty
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The court's past rulings on Second Amendment gun rights — many in the 1800s — are a mess that should be straightened out...

BIAS alert!

That "mess" is quite consistent about the individual right to bear arms, if I'm not mistaken.

37 posted on 07/06/2003 4:47:02 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: LdSentinal
Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Der Fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press.
Being a Nazi was "politically correct". They called themselves "The Children of the New Age and looked down at everyone else. As Hitler acquired more power, he referred to his critics with Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative ReactionaryThe Nazi reign of terror began with news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen".Right-wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people".
When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S.. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.
The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.
Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the
children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics".
Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. Order was coming to the German people.
Is history repeating it self with the new-left?

-Red Barr-



52 posted on 07/25/2003 1:52:31 PM PDT by Red Barr (Gun Rights.....)
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