[Burkeman1]

Not one of those men believed in Utopia at all. And the Constitution our founders created is based on the fact that men are flawed and sinful at heart and sought to counter the basic evil instincts of man. Way off base.

[Calpernia]

I'm impressed. Didn't realize you would know the men I was referring too.

But I differ with you greatly if you think immigrating people from a "regime" seeking freedom is not seeking a utopia.

Bush's seeking an end to terrorism is the same type of quest in my mind. Since the terrorism has been imbedded further than the general public realizes....of course it is confusing for people to follow.

It is after midnight here. So I may be off by the time you respond, if at all. But, I'm pleased you followed my reference.