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Cannabis makes you like, crazy, man
IOL ^ | July 4, 2003 | Cape Times

Posted on 07/05/2003 4:39:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion

London - The increasing use of cannabis by adolescents is threatening the mental health of a generation because of the drug's capacity to trigger psychosis, a leading psychiatrist has warned.

Robin Murray, a professor at the Institute of Psychiatry, said growing evidence linking cannabis with mental disorder had failed to curb use of the drug. One study suggested cannabis users were at seven times higher risk of developing mental problems.

"In the past 18 months, a number of studies have confirmed that cannabis consumption increases later risk of schizophrenia," he told the Royal College of Psychiatrists annual conference in Edinburgh. "This research must not be ignored."

As Murray delivered his warning, doctors at the British Medical Association's annual conference rejected by a large majority calls for cannabis and other recreational drugs to be legalised.

'Prohibition does not work' Connie Fozzard, a retired surgeon, told the conference legalisation would help to cut crime.

"Prohibition does not work," she said. "Just look at the experience of the United States when it tried to ban alcohol. What arose out of that was Al Capone and armed gangs - and that is what happening now in this country."

Speaking at the psychiatrists' conference in Edinburgh, Murray said research suggested cannabis might interact with a genetic vulnerability in some people, sufficient to push them over the edge.

His review of research in Sweden, Holland and New Zealand found that cannabis use was higher among psychotic patients than the broader population. It had been thought that patients took the drug to counter the negative symptoms of the illness, but Murray said this had been ruled out by more recent research.

A Dutch study of 4 000 people found that those taking large amounts of cannabis were almost seven times more likely to have psychotic symptoms three years later.

'Just look at the experience of the United States when it tried to ban alcohol' A study in 1987 of 50 000 Swedish conscripts found that those who admitted at age 18 to having used cannabis on more than 50 occasions were six times more likely to develop schizophrenia in the following 15 years.

Research in New Zealand found that those who used cannabis at age 15 were four-and-a-half times at higher risk of developing psychosis by the age of 26.

Murray said the results held even when initial personality was taken into account. He concluded that the impact of cannabis on the mental health of young people "may not be negligible" and that reducing use among the young "may help to avoid some cases of psychosis".

The findings come as the British government prepares to downgrade cannabis from a Class B to a Class C drug next year so there will be a lesser penalty for possession. Most people caught in possession of a small amount will have it confiscated and receive a reprimand or warning.

A Home Office spokesperson said the intention was to free police time to concentrate on Class A drugs such as heroin.

This article was originally published on page 2 of The Cape Times on July 04, 2003


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addiction; britain; cannabis; drugs; legalize; marijuana; newzealand; psychotic; schizophrenia; study; sweden; wodlist
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To: vin-one
Ok, ANB, how do we keep, pot away from kids, from the article I found this interesting.

I agree...I was just doing my Joe Friday impression.

Should have used sarcasm tags I guess.

81 posted on 07/07/2003 7:58:56 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill (Police state? What police state?)
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To: ActionNewsBill
sorry, shoud have known, too early on a Monday, after a long weekend.......
82 posted on 07/07/2003 8:17:30 AM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: FairOpinion
The increasing use of cannabis by adolescents is threatening the mental health of a generation because of the drug's capacity to trigger psychosis, a leading psychiatrist has warned.

But, but, I thought marijuana was not a harmful drug! (sarcasm off)

But that won't stop the pro-druggies from defending their habits.

83 posted on 07/07/2003 8:22:32 AM PDT by A2J
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To: Arpege92
I don't think this is going to change alot of minds!

It's hard to change something that has been rotted away.

84 posted on 07/07/2003 8:23:53 AM PDT by A2J
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To: Wolfie
A good read is "Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts". It properly explodes all this craziness, and is recommended by none other than William F. Buckley, Jr.

85 posted on 07/07/2003 8:33:29 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
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To: William Terrell
I have that one. Good reading.
86 posted on 07/07/2003 8:42:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: William Terrell
But that .45 needs a person's hand to hold it, yes?

Yup. For better or worse.

Going back to the original point of the thread, I'm actually anti-WOD (relatively speaking), and think the feds have better things to waste their money on (like the propaganda mills called public schools). I'm opposed, on a moral level, to drug use, but I'm opposed to the level of my morality giving rise to legal prohibitions against adults ingesting substances that make them more vacuous, stupid, immature, violent and/or lazy than they already are.

I've no love for Big Brother, and contempt for the Joe Potheads (and Joe Sixpacks) of America.

I actually enjoy making fun of the drug addled and impaired of our culture while defending their right to addle and impair themselves.

'Til death do us part....

87 posted on 07/07/2003 8:42:26 AM PDT by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: Monty22
However, FR is very pro-pot. So gotta be careful about what you say about (what appears to be) the majority of people here that are severely drug addicted

I wouldn't say that. It is the same old names that show up on every pot thread. The # of pro-drug threads has gone way down, there used to be 4 or 5 every day and now there is maybe one every day posted by one of the same old names.

88 posted on 07/07/2003 9:01:22 AM PDT by Dane
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To: liberallarry
Close observation suggests that "leading psychiatrists" are seven times more likely to develop mental problems than cannabis users.

Sadly, nearly every person that I've encountered who used cannabis habitually was a basket case; completely devoid of ambition to do anything at all and IQs south of marginal...
89 posted on 07/07/2003 9:08:16 AM PDT by Bush2000 (R>)
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To: Yeti
For one, weed is illegal. Any sample made up of marijuana smokers is a smaple taken from criminals, who are statistically more likely to suffer from mental illness.

You're contradicting yourself now. Your side doesn't consider the use of drugs to be criminal...

So, I think this "scientist" has rediscovered the "gateway drug" fallacy, and falsely concluded that marijuana is causal of, as opposed to correlated with, mental disorders such as schizophrenia, depression and psychosis.

Hmmmmm.... let's see. Given a choice between a scientist with hard statistical data and your blather ... so difficult to choose... Oh, what the Hell. I'll go out on a limb and choose the scientist's supported facts...
90 posted on 07/07/2003 9:14:37 AM PDT by Bush2000 (R>)
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To: Dane
I wouldn't say that. It is the same old names that show up on every pot thread.

There's still more of us than there are of you.

Muhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

91 posted on 07/07/2003 9:23:12 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: sine_nomine
When I was in graduate school our department decided that one drink at lunch was enoughh to kill our ambition for the day. No one was against drinking but we all wanted to finish school. Since then I have never been able to do brain work the same day I use alcohol.

So you let a grad-school faculty member determine how your brain works?
92 posted on 07/07/2003 9:28:12 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Bush2000
Sadly, nearly every person that I've encountered who used cannabis habitually was a basket case; completely devoid of ambition to do anything at all and IQs south of marginal...

Bush2000, meet Xenalyte. I'm quite successful in my day job, I have a part-time performance job to provide an outlet for my performer's urge, and my IQ is higher than I like to say 'cause I don't enjoy embarrassing others.
93 posted on 07/07/2003 9:30:50 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: jmc813
There's still more of us than there are of you.

Muhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Really. Huh the same old names show up on the drug threads and that somehow constitutes a vast majority?

It says to me that the same people who make pot and drug validation their political being on FR are very vocal about their main issue, illicit drug validation.

94 posted on 07/07/2003 9:33:35 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Bush2000
Sadly, nearly every person that I've encountered who used cannabis habitually was a basket case; completely devoid of ambition to do anything at all and IQs south of marginal...

And you believe these people would be productive members of society if not for their use of marijuana? You may have the correlation and causation reversed; people who are naturally lazy and unmotivated are probably more likely to use drugs.

95 posted on 07/07/2003 9:38:51 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Xenalyte; Bush2000; Yeti
Xenalyte meet Chante Mallard, the windshield murderer.

But on Thursday, the 27-year-old certified nurse's aide admitted that she had used marijuana since age 18 and later began smoking it morning, noon and night.

She said she often went to work stoned at nursing homes and at a correctional facility. She passed her drug tests by using another person's urine, cleaning out her system and, one time during a random test, putting a drop of bleach into her urine sample.

In the hours before she struck Biggs, Mallard testified, she took half a tab of Ecstasy "to try something new."

Link

Oh that's right, you and Yeti don't think there is such a thing as the drug culture and it was the carrots she ate that day which made her try the ecstasy, nevermind.

96 posted on 07/07/2003 9:40:58 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Really. Huh the same old names show up on the drug threads and that somehow constitutes a vast majority?

OK, I'm going to list the anti-POT FReepers who consistently show up, as that is what you originally referred to:

You

Cultural Jihad

A CA Guy

robertpaulsen

Kevin Curry

Roscoe

Feel free to add to that list if you can think of any. Now, compare that with the number of FReepers who consistently post that pot prohibition is a joke, and see if you notice something.

97 posted on 07/07/2003 9:52:24 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: Dane
You forgot to mention Eric Rudolph.
98 posted on 07/07/2003 9:54:11 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: jmc813
Feel free to add to that list if you can think of any. Now, compare that with the number of FReepers who consistently post that pot prohibition is a joke, and see if you notice something

Yeah those 20 or so regular posters who show up on the drug threads every day are very vocal about the validation of illicit drugs and make it their main issue, so?

There are over 100,000 registered posters on FR, even if your ping list had 1,000 names, that would still constitute a mere 1% of FR.

99 posted on 07/07/2003 10:03:35 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Answer the question, Dane. (Or has your short-term memory deserted you?)
100 posted on 07/07/2003 10:04:54 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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