[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the heads up to your discussion with cornelis!

Frankly I do not see where my paragraphs at #82 excerpted by cornelis would be inappropriate or over-reaching considering the title of this thread: "Integrative Science: Death Knewll of Scientific Materialism?"

For Lurkers, I said:

betty boop, I strongly agree with the prediction in the first article:

A) The structural science is sufficient to explain all nature,... life, mind and consciousness.

B) The structural science is not sufficient, and is incomplete for explaining all existence,... life, mind and consciousness...

We predict that science will renounce principle A for principle B due primarily to the difficulties enountered in the explanation of mind and consciousness.... The problem of consciousness leads...not only to the last frontier, mostly unexplored, of science, but also to perhaps the most important frontier for mankind in the 21st century....

It won’t be long now. I say this because the epistemologically zealous mathematicians are in the fray and many of them are Platonist (weak or strong, naturalized or nor.) I anticipate they will discover mathematical structures of higher dimensionality expressed in the phenomenological.

Metaphysical naturalism could not defend against this determination – because, at this level, the phrase representing all such mathematical structure, which shows unity of transcendent intelligence, could be replaced with the word God.

That final sentence is paraphrased from John D. Barrow's pi in the Sky via "What is Mathematics?".

[betty boop]

The problem of consciousness leads...not only to the last frontier, mostly unexplored, of science, but also to perhaps the most important frontier for mankind in the 21st century....

Oh, A-G, I do agree this is so (this statement from Kafatos & Draganescu). Either we get clear on the problem of consciousness in all its ramifications, or we can just kiss the "human project" good-bye.

The materialists out there -- who really do prefer absurdity to the clear, God-given light of reason any day of the week -- have already laid plans to reduce us/replace us with digital machines. [Lurkers please do try to envision this statement as metaphoric, not as evidence of paranoia.] Indeed, in terms of thinking and feeling, they have so far achieved considerable success in converting humans now alive into virtual machines.

And while they're at it, they also plan to deify Utility -- a project that seems to be achieving a certain critical mass in certain sectors of the West by now.

All of which to be conducted under the auspices of a tiny minority of "progressively committed" intellectuals with an ingrained "grudge" against nature and the general "unforgivingness" of Truth, against its seemingly intractible bias in one direction only: Upward, into the Light of God's grace and spirit. This is a special caste of self-selected and self-appointed "high priests" who desire to rule over the rest of us, "for our own good."

Are we -- the "rest of us" -- really prepared to accept life under such a regime? How's that for a little late-night "sci-fi," A-G!!!

Good night, and God bless!