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To: betty boop
Dear Betty,

This thread opens with a quotation from Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin that says ...

We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute….

In other words, matter in its motions is assumed to be (against all reason, if need be) the ultimate basis of Reality.
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The above is a framework setup to attack reason -- the untimate enemy to mysticists.

I am not "Christian baiting." I am using reason to defend reason.

676 posted on 07/15/2003 9:02:58 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice; betty boop
There is no sound use of reason that reaches outside of the realm of reason and grasps an apriori claim that materialism is fact. (See prior documented quotes of materialists about thier subjective demand for materialism.)

There are volumes of documented reason which indicates otherwise (and volumes of the empirical documented, which provides evidence).
677 posted on 07/15/2003 9:17:35 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: thinktwice; Hank Kerchief; unspun; Alamo-Girl
I am not "Christian baiting." I am using reason to defend reason.

Dear thinktwice, if you sincerely believe that this is what you're doing, then I suggest you reflect on the excerpt from Prof. Lewontin. Try to see how it is he who is making an attack on reason, not Christians. In the interest of defending materialist science, he rules reason entirely out of the question: He point-blank states he is prepared to accept "the patent absurdity of some of [scientific materialism's] constructs," just so long as he can keep preserve his doctrine intact.

If you cannot grasp how irrational, anti-rational such a position is, then I wonder about the state of your own "reasonableness," or rationality.

Meanwhile, I repeat: Kindly desist from Christian baiting/bashing. Don't deny you do this: You do it here on my thread, and anywhere else you go at FR, and it is simply disingenuous of you to deny what is patently obvious to just about everyone else.

678 posted on 07/15/2003 10:13:15 AM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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