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Posted on 07/05/2003 4:12:52 PM PDT by chance33_98

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To: bondserv
I agree that, by your reasoning, parallel universes and evolution should be considered hypotheses.

Nice try, but evolution is a theory, as it synthesizes phenomena and makes testable predictions.

And I also consider both to have sufficient irrefutable evidence to be regarded, presented and taught as fact.

181 posted on 07/09/2003 8:50:03 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: longshadow
There is, of course, no physical "edge" to our Hubble volume

Would you say that a black hole has a physical edge?

182 posted on 07/09/2003 8:52:29 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: rontorr
The cars on the track have to be quieter than on the street or the neighbors complain

But has a huge Union Pacific switch yard. Go figure.

183 posted on 07/09/2003 8:55:26 AM PDT by steveo (...it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.)
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To: Nakatu X
a one-world government of simultaneous nazism, communism, and laissez-faire capitalism...

That Darwin ... what a guy ... his theory is responsible for absolutely everything! It's probably to blame for this plague of obesity we're said to be experiencing. The one thing Darwin isn't being blamed for is Islamic terrorism. (The muslims are said to be creationists.)

184 posted on 07/09/2003 8:56:23 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's probably to blame for this plague of obesity we're said to be experiencing.

Actually, Darwinian evolution probably is to blame for that one.

185 posted on 07/09/2003 8:57:47 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Servant of the Nine
Inteligent design is NOT SCIENCE.

Intelligent Design is not natural science, for it purposes to demonstrate the existance of the supernatural. It is most properly a subset of philosopy. Natural science, of course, is also a subset of philosophy. These two are, however, different branches of the same tree--not different parts of the same branch. Perhaps if we still taught philosophy in high school, this would be a non-issue.

186 posted on 07/09/2003 9:02:19 AM PDT by TigerTale (From the streets of Tehran to the Gulf of Oman, let freedom ring.)
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To: Physicist
Would you say that a black hole has a physical edge?

I'm not sure what to call the point of singularity, but with regard to the event horizon, no; I wouldn't refer to it as a "physical" edge. Points on both sides of the event horizon are still part of the Universe; hence points on the event horizon do not satisfy the definition of a boundary point.

187 posted on 07/09/2003 9:03:46 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro
Is the moon a "Gravity Well" compared to earth? I would think smaller space junk would be more susceptible to Jupiter’s "Ring of Protection".

Shoemaker Levy was a timing event, which was drawn into the mass of Jupiter at the last instance of its journey.

This brings to mind a golf analogy.

Bobby Jones taught that when putting one should die the ball into the cup. His reasoning is that it made the entry point to the hole larger.

Tom Watson came along and putted firmly taking the most amount of break from the putt. He was considered the best putter for many years. This required steady nerves of which in latter years has plagued him, because the faster the ball is moving or if you are slightly off line the less likely the ball will succumb to the "Gravity Well".
188 posted on 07/09/2003 9:13:49 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: atlaw
1. Start here

2. Start with Darwin
a. Transitionals
b. the eye

189 posted on 07/09/2003 9:20:24 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: longshadow
Points on both sides of the event horizon are still part of the Universe

Ah, well there's the rub. I myself define "universe" as "everything we could in principle travel to and communicate with"; the interior of a black hole would qualify as "existing outside of our universe". I myself don't have a problem with the word "edge" to describe such geometrical inaccessibility, but "horizon" is certainly a better term in both cases.

I'll still talk about the "edge of my reach" rather than the "horizon of my reach", however. :-)

190 posted on 07/09/2003 9:25:51 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry; Physicist
It's probably to blame for this plague of obesity we're said to be experiencing.

Survival of the fattest??? LOL

191 posted on 07/09/2003 9:25:59 AM PDT by Aracelis (Oh, evolve!)
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To: bondserv
Is the moon a "Gravity Well" compared to earth? I would think smaller space junk would be more susceptible to Jupiter’s "Ring of Protection".

A little too cryptic. The moon doesn't get hit that much anymore, either.

Shoemaker Levy was a timing event, which was drawn into the mass of Jupiter at the last instance of its journey.

As opposed to what?

192 posted on 07/09/2003 9:44:21 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: bondserv
a. Transitionals
b. the eye

No good.

193 posted on 07/09/2003 9:46:51 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: atlaw
Here are some more things to consider.

Theologians agree the Bible teaches a 6,000-10,000 year geneology from Adam to present. Jesus taught that Adam and Eve were created at the beginning of creation in Matthew 19:4-6, dismissing the idea that God used evolution to bring life to the present.

Creationists feel the supporting evidence resides in geologic formations that support the flood which killed off all people and land animals. God provided Moses with the baby animals containing the complete genetic information to form all of the land aimmals we see today. (Of which many are extinct).

a. Seashells on Mt. Everest (These shells aren't crushed like you would expect them to be if they were sediment for millions of years, also they are in the closed position suggesting rapid death).
b. The Grand canyon erosion pattern. (Diagram).
c. The percentage of Salt in the oceans. (Far to low for even 100,000 years of erosion).
d. The worldwide existance of petrified trees crossing cleanly through layers of sediment that geologists claim took millions of years to be laid down.
e. The existence of massive amounts of dead microscopic sea life beds.
f. The fossilization of Mammoths in a standing position with undigested meals in their digestive tracts.
g. The existance of many fossils that contain fish in the act of eating, in the act of giving birth.
h. The population on the planet dictates a close to 4,000 year population growth. (Since the flood) Click here for info.
i. the oldest living tree - around 4,000 years. Bristlecone Pine

A preponderance of the available evidence is not discussed by the evolutionary ridden academia.

194 posted on 07/09/2003 9:59:16 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: bondserv
b. The Grand canyon erosion pattern.

Ignoring the deposition pattern, which doesn't look a bit like flood debris. But then, what laid the sediments if the flood eroded them?

195 posted on 07/09/2003 10:02:42 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: bondserv
e. The existence of massive amounts of dead microscopic sea life beds.

Rather too massive, wouldn't you say? And what about all the gradual evolution visible within those sediments?

I'm out of time for now. More cherry-picking in a few hours when I get back.

196 posted on 07/09/2003 10:05:24 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
We are just lucky the universe didn't have the yips (golfing term for bad putting nerves) with Shoemaker Levy, it was taking dead aim at Jupiter.

I used to play with a guy who used to say Nooooo during his backstroke. Creationists have overcome our 100 years of yips and are starting to take dead aim at evolution with newfound nerve.

These are the end-times, no more beating around the bush. Nothing wrong with pressing for the truth.
197 posted on 07/09/2003 10:12:33 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: Physicist
Ah, well there's the rub. I myself define "universe" as "everything we could in principle travel to and communicate with"; the interior of a black hole would qualify as "existing outside of our universe".

And, as you've probably guessed, I tend to use the more inclusive definition ("all that exists") for Universe. I like the usage of "Hubble volume" for the less inclusive notion of Universe, as it avoids the confusion that inevitably arises otherwise.

Of course, to be absolutely strict, you CAN travel into the Black Hole; you just can't come back, or send a message to anyone outside the event horizon once you've crossed it! It's strictly a one-way trip.

I myself don't have a problem with the word "edge" to describe such geometrical inaccessibility, but "horizon" is certainly a better term in both cases.

I'll still talk about the "edge of my reach" rather than the "horizon of my reach", however. :-)

Well, as you probably know, my concern is that the casual reader might mis-interpret what you mean by "edge." We are forever having to answer questions from laymen who pop up on these threads who ask: "What happens when I travel to the "edge" of the Universe -- what's 'outside'?" The point being that if the large scale geometry of the Universe is Euclidean (as the WMAP data suggest), it has no "physical" spatial boundary, though it does have a limit, or horizon, that defines the extent of the Hubble volume of any point at a given time.

So, I guess I'd say: "The horizon of the Hubble volume...." where you say: "The edge of an Universe....". We're both saying the same thing.

198 posted on 07/09/2003 10:23:59 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro
I haven't seen an analysis of worldwide flood level sedimentary patterns. Have you? With computer models becoming a reality on such a grand scale this would be interesting.

What made those limestone layers anyway, dead critters everywhere? Why such geographic deposits of oil? Quick death and burial of massive amounts of plant life pooling as if settled by water possibly? Those white cliffs of dover may have more sense to them as we begin applying logic to our models.

Maybe now that Creationists are showing up for work we will get some explainations.
199 posted on 07/09/2003 10:27:40 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: chance33_98
Anyone ever see "Inherit the Wind"? I always thought it was a factual account of the 'Scopes Monkey Trials,' but it wasn't.

The same methods used by the writer of "Inherit the Wind" to glorify evolution believers and put down God believers are the same methods the evos of today often try to use.

There is nothing new under the sun. LOL

200 posted on 07/09/2003 10:31:24 AM PDT by MEGoody
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