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To: Ethan_Allen; Alouette; Nachum; Yehuda
I was a 'Christian' Zionist, too, before I started studying the Bible on my own, and learned that what the Bible really says has little to do with what we've been fed by the apostate church. I can't tell you what a weight I have in the middle of my chest reading these responses from Christians whom I know mean well. Christian Zionism is an oxymoron. If anyone wants to know why, let me know.

I won't speak to Christian theology. it would be inappropriate and presumptious. However, I believe that you have fallen for an odd sect of "Christians" who either believe in an Aryan Christ (aka Nazis) or delusional reactionaries who see a giant Jewish-Belshevik-NWO conspiracy.

Noahide.com is a homepage of a single sect of Judaism. In fact, I don't even see a formal relationship between it and Chabad. It is rather suspect.
It is as if I took one of the more unusual sects of Christianity and extrapolated a webpage, claiming to represent them, to be the agenda of all Christians.

At best the Hassidic Gentile movement is a analogue to the Messianic Jewish movement. Frankly, I question its authenticity.

The truth is that Jews consider Christians to be followers of the Noahide code. Some may consider the Trinity to be polytheism (Muslims and Unitarians agree) and others do see Christianity as idolitary or as perverted Judaism.
That is no different than the view of many Christians towards Judaism. It certainly is not nefarious. Rather, their is a theological disagreement that will be ended when the Messiah reveals himself. Only one of the three religions can be correct.

Unlike Christians who have viewed Jews either as damned or agents of the devil, Jews view Christians as wayward brothers. Moreover, we tolerate non-Jews. Judaism is not a universalist religion. We are to be a light unto nations.
We do consider certain behavior unacceptable. Hence, the Noahide Laws as set for by God, not some Rabbi.

39 posted on 07/05/2003 8:12:55 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew; American in Israel
"Unlike Christians who have viewed Jews either as damned or agents of the devil..."

Well, that might be a little generalized, but duly noted. I just finished a book by Dave Hunt which went into great detail on the persecution of the Jews by "Christendom" over the centuries. History is undeniable, Christianity has had it's travails in the hands of imposters and pretenders. Yet, I, and others, don't count ourselves as one with them.

"...Jews view Christians as wayward brothers. "

Indeed. As you said, "Rather, theirs is a theological disagreement that will be ended when the Messiah reveals himself."

Blood Brothers ~

Until then, we have a common enemy.

AMERICA AT WAR

American Flag

44 posted on 07/05/2003 8:59:57 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas!)
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To: rmlew; Salem; Zionist Conspirator
Noahide.com is a homepage of a single sect of Judaism.

Noachides are not Jews. They are gentiles who have adopted the Law of G-D which was given to Noah at end of the Flood. There are seven laws, very briefly, there are these:

1. Do not worship idols. Now, some Noachides happen to believe that worshipping Jesus as a diety is forbidden, while other Noachides remain Christians.

2. Worship G-D and do not blaspheme His Name.

3. Do not commit immorality. This includes incest, adultery and homosexuality.

4. Do not commit murder, this includes abortion.

5. Do not steal.

6. Maintain courts of justice and law enforcement.

7. Do not eat meat taken from an animal while it is still alive (gross cruelty of animals). Noachides are allowed to eat meat. It does not have to be kosher.

Noachides sometimes complain that they do not receive enough guidance and support from the rabbis. The reason for this is that the rabbis have enough to do looking after the Jewish community and do not have the time to spare ministering to a non-Jewish congregation. Noachides should establish their own seminaries and train their own ministers and there may be rabbis who will help to get them started in this process.

Z.C. if I've made any incorrect statements, please set thigs straight, OK?

46 posted on 07/06/2003 6:53:23 AM PDT by Alouette
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