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"We Support Our Troops...When They Shoot Their Officers"
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 4, 2003 | Ken Hechtman

Posted on 07/04/2003 3:08:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

If there’s one slogan that’s come to represent the anti-war movement in its current incarnation, it’s one that appeared on a banner in a March 15 demonstration in San Francisco. It bore the message,“We Support Our Troops, When They Shoot Their Officers.” This banner has been seen around the world and cited in more than 400 publications.

You can see the creator of the banner in the photograph; he’s the one on the right wearing the black ski-mask (being assisted by activist Kevin Keating). He recently spoke with me about the mythology that’s grown up around it. As much as “Mike” would have liked to show the human face behind the ski-mask, he couldn’t allow his real name or any other personal information to be published because he’s going through a background check. (And if he passes, the system is definitely broken.)

Mike places himself on the political spectrum as a “class-war anarchist,” and member of a 25-strong Bay Area collective named “Class War.” Think of class-war anarchists as Leninists without Lenin; their ideas come more from the printed word than from lived experience and they read the old turn of the century anarchists; Bakunin, Kropotkin, Emma Goldman and the like. They tend to be young, college-age rich kids, with the occasional social worker’s or teacher’s kid like Mike at the low end.

There’s a theory why teacher’s kids, psychiatrists’ kids and social workers’ kids are over-represented: Child professionals think they understand children and can get children to understand them in return, so they explain everything, starting at a very young age. The meta-message is, "All things should make sense to you. If they don't make sense to you, you don't have to accept them.”

Unburdened by careers, children and non-political friends, politics is the second generation’s full-time pursuit, and there’s a psychological effect that comes out of living in a highly-charged bubble. The isolation and mutual reinforcement compounds their ideas. Most of them had the most radical ideas in their high school and freshman classes and loved it. Now in an environment where everyone is radical, they have to be a lot more extreme to stand out. “Mike” is a prime example.

“Lines tend to be drawn by both hawks and mainstream doves that assume everyone within the same national boundaries has the same interests,” Mike began in our interview “We say that common interests are defined by class. The rich benefit from war in all countries. The real enemy of a poor American volunteer isn’t the poor Iraqi conscript on the other side. It’s the people in his own, military and political, who give him his orders.”

In the run-up to the war, his group coined a number of other slogans aimed at the antiwar crowd, none of which got the same national play as “We support our troops.” “Another War is Possible” was a play on the anti-globalization idealism of “Another World is Possible.” “Peace is Patriotic – and that’s the Problem” was a direct attack on the liberal wing of the movement. Perhaps aware of the distinction between advocacy and incitement, Mike wouldn’t specifically identify a target audience for his best-known aphorism, saying only, “We were trying to push a strong class position, inside and outside the peace movement, inside and outside the army.”

Mike became politically active in 1999, at the Seattle anti-WTO riots. He has since followed the course of many of his fellow activists. The anti-trade movement was one of a number of things that went up in smoke on Sept. 11th and the survivors were quick to file off the serial numbers and re-invent themselves as the anti-capitalist wing of the peace movement, without bothering to reinvent their rhetoric. In their world, the Taliban’s (never proven) objection to an oil pipeline, not the smoking crater in lower Manhattan, provided the motivation for attacking Afghanistan. Now that the war has moved off the front pages, they’ve slowly filed back to anti-trade rallies. The common thread of course, is what they identify as the common source of both globalization and war: the American way of life.

He laughs at the idea that the antiwar movement as a whole shares his radical views. “People on the Right are using [my banner] to show that all of the Left is anti-American. If the idea is getting out there, great. I’d be glad if the rest of the movement agreed with it and the class analysis behind it, but right now they don’t go as far as we do. On one side, you’ve got the Stalinist and Maoist crazies walking around with their North Korean flags. Then you have liberals saying things like ‘Peace is Patriotic’ and ‘Let the Sanctions Work’ or even worse, ‘Regime Change Begins at Home – Vote Democrat.’ They’re the conscience of capitalism. They’re one side of a debate between rich people about what’s best for rich people. We want an end to the war, too. But we don't have any illusions that we’re fighting for ‘the freedom that America really stands for.’ We stand in open solidarity with the front lines of resistance across the world.”

He ducked the inevitable question of whether he hates the United States. Clearly, he’d been expecting it and had an answer ready. “I’m against the American government. I’m not against the vast majority of working Americans,” he explained, leaving aside what the vast majority of working Americans might think of him. “I’m against every government in the world, from Canada to Cuba – they’re all capitalist and they all serve their own ruling class.” Good old laissez-faire Cuba. “I’m also in favor of Iraqi soldiers shooting their officers, just as American leaflets called on them to do. But the American government is the strongest ruling class in the world. I’m an American citizen and I live in America so I focus on that.”

Mike never expected the media frenzy around his banner, and it most likely would have remained but for an incident one week later in Camp Pennsylvania near Kuwait City. Muslim sergeant Asan Akbar killed two officers and wounded 14 others with fragmentation grenades.

“I don’t remember if I cheered or not,” said Mike. “I know I wanted to find out more about Akbar’s motivation. I didn’t believe his action was caused directly by the banner I carried, but it shows that the conflict we’re talking about does exist inside the military. There are those who give orders and those who take them. Look, if Asan Akbar had died carrying out his captain’s order we wouldn’t know his name. He’d be a statistic.”

“I don’t want to speculate too much on that one incident because I don’t have all the information,” he continued. “In general, if a fragging is done for class reasons I would support it and the movement as a whole should support it. If it was purely religious… Look, I’m an atheist. I’m against Islam and Christianity and all religions. There’s another guy I heard of – I can’t say too much on the record about this – a soldier in Gulf War I who was ordered to shoot Iraqi civilians and shot his CO instead. He’s now living underground and movement people are helping him out.” This claim could not be confirmed, and the army’s official position is that no such incident occurred between Vietnam and Gulf War II. Despite the story’s dubious veracity, the fact is that Mike believes it happened and advocates being an accessory after the fact, should it happen again.

Mike said he was reading up on the history of fragging and mutiny in the army before the March 15 demonstration and that served as his inspiration for the banner. “Peace movements alone can’t stop wars. The only way wars stop is when the army refuses to fight,” he said. “People think it’s far-fetched, but there are hundreds of examples. Everyone knows about Vietnam but it happened in WWI and the Mexican War, as well. The movement needs to understand this. In the 1960s the peace movement wasted six years spitting on soldiers and calling them baby-killers. We can’t afford to make that mistake again. What we can do is escalate the class war here at home and bring about a situation in which the government can’t fight wars abroad, because they’ll be spending all their time and energy trying to keep us under control here at home. It’s in periods of intense social struggle that the army’s tradition of mutiny comes out. The question for us shouldn’t be whether we go to war – we’re already at war. The question should be whether we fight back.”

Mike is surprisingly sanguine about the media attacks on him and his beliefs. He believes, “The representations in the capitalist press are fair. From their point of view, we are the enemy. We are scary. The kind of people who lead the Republican Party should be afraid – the Democrats, too – because our goal is not just to end the war. Our goal is to destroy capitalist society and that doesn’t fit nicely into the rules of the proper, patriotic, political channels. Ultimately, it’s a struggle against them as well. You might say we’re against capitalist peace just as much as capitalist war.” Even if that means advocating a war of their own.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: anarchists; blackshirts; classwar; communistsubversion; conservatism; culturewar; energy; jihadinamerica; sedition; traitorlist
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To: JRandomFreeper
And since what he is advocating is mutiny, that makes his speech sedition.

'Tis only a matter of time till his shipmates hand him the "Black Spot" ARRrrrr Harrr!

21 posted on 07/04/2003 5:28:53 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife
The article's subject should be considered Exhibit A for Ann Coulter's book: Treason.
22 posted on 07/04/2003 6:05:14 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: Tailgunner Joe
What we can do is escalate the class war here at home and bring about a situation in which the government can’t fight wars abroad, because they’ll be spending all their time and energy trying to keep us under control here at home.

My God, if there isn't a law against this, there should be. This guy and his group are just plain frightening.

24 posted on 07/04/2003 6:17:20 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: squidly
This guy needs to be exposed. Someone needs to pull that mask off the guy and show his face to the entire country so no one makes the mistake of hiring him. He should be behind bars before he does more damage.
25 posted on 07/04/2003 6:20:11 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
As much as “Mike” would have liked to show the human face behind the ski-mask, he couldn’t allow his real name or any other personal information to be published because he’s going through a background check.

Actually, I have this fear that he is trying for a govenment job to infiltrate it. That is just frightening.

26 posted on 07/04/2003 6:22:48 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: squidly
See this:

Dean Gets a Pass!

There is something going on with Dean he doesn't want known!

27 posted on 07/04/2003 6:27:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; chadsworth
I'm sorry, I know I already commented, but this is just unbelieveable to me. I have never read anything like this before, and I have seen some real off the wall articles here. This is so disturbing, and I guess my frustration is that he can just walk the streets and spread this evil crap to others with no accountablility.
28 posted on 07/04/2003 6:32:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"he’s the one on the right wearing the black ski-mask"

I'm 63.
I can still knock him on his ass, and I'd love the opportunity!

29 posted on 07/04/2003 6:34:30 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: ladyinred
"He should be behind bars before he does more damage."

No, somebody needs to beat his head in!
I'd REALLY like to see him try that crap in Texas!

30 posted on 07/04/2003 6:48:41 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: ladyinred
Actually, I have this fear that he is trying for a govenment job to infiltrate it. That is just frightening.

I wouldnt worry about it....He has to make things happen and when he opens his yap he will be found out....hell they give polygraphs in the government.

He's just an anarchist punk with no clue that we need society.

31 posted on 07/04/2003 6:56:53 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife
He's just an anarchist punk with no clue that we need society.

Him and his army of 25 LOL!!

32 posted on 07/04/2003 6:58:10 PM PDT by mylife
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To: JRandomFreeper
One would suspect the FBI knows who this idiot really is, in spite of the mask. I hope they do and jail the traitor. Guatanamo would be perfect for him as a permanent home. Please, make it so!
33 posted on 07/04/2003 7:33:56 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Adieu a la France!)
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To: ladyinred
I have never read anything like this before, and I have seen some real off the wall articles here. This is so disturbing,

This is from a web page called Class War, the same thing the masked jerk described.

This Is Class War

The Class War Federation is an organisation of groups and individuals who have come together to change the society we live in, to improve the lot of working class people.   This society is divided into classes based on control of its institutions and wealth. The Ruling Class - those who "own" the factories or natural resources - whether it's through shares or being chairman of the board etc, who are under normal circumstances supported by the Middle Class - those who gain their position in society by patronage of the Ruling Class - who do their dirty work of controlling and (dis)organising the working class who do all the necessary work. Such a society is the root cause of most of the problems experienced by Working Class people the world over. As the Ruling Class has every intention of keeping its priviledged position it must be destroyed - this is Class War.   Real change can only come about by working class people organising themselves to deal with the problems that they experience and to provide for ourselves. It is not about becoming better treated slaves but masters of our destiny. Direct action is necessary against the individuals and institutions who stand in the way of this. There is no alternative. Violence is a necessary part of the Class War - not as elitist terrorists but as an integrated part of the class - they started it, we'll have to finish it!   Class society creates other abuses based upon the prejudices of the Ruling or Middle Class such as gender, ethnic origin, sexuality, disability. The Ruling Class often use these to divide our class. We must unite on the common basis of what we have in common - our Working Class background and needs.   The Class must fight these divisions on all fronts. Above all the CWF believes that politics cannot be separated from life - and life from politics. We reject the missionary/righteous so-called "revolutionary" Left. Our politics must be fulfilling and relevent to our everyday lives.   Working Class people must take responsibility for their progressive revolutionary politics - fly by night middle class radicals have been the bane of our movement for as long as the Working Class has existed. Our Aim Therefore the aim of the CWF is to increase the militancy and self awareness of the Working Class in defending their interests and solving their problems. We do this through propaganda, active participation and debate as equals.

http://www.londonclasswar.org/intro_english.htm

34 posted on 07/04/2003 8:07:05 PM PDT by chadsworth (Hillary MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE 2004 ; Davis MUST BE REMOVED)
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To: chadsworth
Do any of these leftists have any REAL education?
35 posted on 07/04/2003 8:40:00 PM PDT by John Will
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To: John Will
Do any of these leftists have any REAL education?

Only from an animal obedience training class -- and they probably flunked out of that!

36 posted on 07/04/2003 9:15:27 PM PDT by chadsworth (Hillary MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE 2004 ; Davis MUST BE REMOVED)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“I don’t remember if I cheered or not,” said Mike. “I know I wanted to find out more about Akbar’s motivation. I didn’t believe his action was caused directly by the banner I carried, but it shows that the conflict we’re talking about does exist inside the military. There are those who give orders and those who take them. Look, if Asan Akbar had died carrying out his captain’s order we wouldn’t know his name. He’d be a statistic.”

What a P*O*S. Amazing he says it without shame. Too bad "Asan Akbar" didn't die with honor instead of murdering brothers as a dishonorable coward.

The fool is an atheist, hates America, is almost worse than a regular communist - and wears a mask. If anyone every finds a picture of him, it should be publicized here so Freepers know what he looks like.

37 posted on 07/04/2003 9:27:38 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I hope this animal ends up like Rachel Corrie.
38 posted on 07/05/2003 5:41:26 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (Let me tell you something, Johnson!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
But the leftist defenders have been saying that it is unfair for conservatives to label those in the anti(Bush)war movement antiAmerican.

Just because they never took to the streets to protest Bill Clinton's wars (including unprovoked missile strikes on Iraq on the eve of the impeachment vote in 1998, where was the outcry for international support then?). Just because they support the Palestinean war effort (including the use of suicide bombers, "people so desperate, they use the only weapons they have, their bodies") doesn't mean that they aren't "antiwar" < /sarcasm >.

39 posted on 07/05/2003 6:05:53 AM PDT by weegee
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To: mommadooo3
We Support Our Troops...When They Shoot Their Officers

We support our leaders when they sodomize their interns.

40 posted on 07/05/2003 6:07:50 AM PDT by Bluntpoint (Not there! Yes, there!)
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