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Family Demands U.S. Rights for Prisoner
AP | 7/04/03

Posted on 07/04/2003 12:41:16 AM PDT by kattracks

The Associated Press


MECCA, Saudi Arabia July 4

Nearly two years have passed since Yaser Esam Hamdi returned to his native United States, handcuffed and classed as an "enemy combatant" after American forces captured him in Afghanistan.

A court appeal for his right to have a lawyer and answer the allegations is pending, but the parents of the 22-year-old Saudi from Baton Rouge, La., are no closer to knowing if they will ever see him again.

They say they should at least be allowed to visit him in prison. "If they consider him an American, then why don't they try him and give him his constitutional rights as an American?" says his mother, Nadia Hamdi.

Esam and Nadia Hamdi say Yaser, the eldest of their five boys, finished his sophomore year at King Fahd University, in the eastern Saudi city of Dhahran, and suddenly left for Afghanistan without their knowledge in July, 2001. Less than two months later, they say, he phoned his mother saying he wanted to come home but feared his father was angry at him for having gone to Afghanistan without permission.

The next time they saw him was in a file photo taken in Afghanistan and shown on television when he was flown to the States in April last year.

"We were relieved. We watched the footage of the plane landing in Virginia over and over again. At least we knew where he was. And that he was alive," Nadia Hamdi told The Associated Press in the holy city of Mecca, where the family is visiting relatives. It was her first interview since her son's arrest.

In the photo taken in Afghanistan, "He was very, very thin. His face was skeletal. He was dressed like an Afghan, and his hair was unkempt and long and curly," his mother. It was a big change from the slightly overweight, devout young man who lived a sheltered life, prayed five times a day and liked to make his mother laugh.

U.S. officials say Hamdi was one of two Americans captured when their Taliban unit was overrun in the Mazar-e-Sharif prison in November, 2001.

The other is John Walker Lindh, who last October was sentenced to 20 years in prison after pleading guilty to supplying services to the Taliban, Afghanistan's one-time rulers who harbored Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network.

Hamdi was flown to the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and held there for several months until it was discovered he was born in Baton Rouge. Then he was transferred to a naval brig in Norfolk, Va.

"It was the first time he'd been back to the United States. And it was in handcuffs," said Hamdi's father, a chemical engineer who worked in Louisiana before bringing his family back to Saudi Arabia when his son was 3.

He said he has written to 23 U.S. representatives pointing out that Lindh's relatives are allowed to visit him in prison. "I said to them, is it fair, because his (Lindh's) parents and his grandparents are American he's treated differently? He can see his family. He can talk to them. I said, if my son's guilty, he should be tried. And if he's innocent, he should be set free."

He said one congressman and one senator replied and told him there's little they can do.

In January, a U.S. court of appeals reviewing Hamdi's case ruled that U.S. citizens captured overseas could be treated as enemy combatants without concern for the rights normally afforded in criminal cases.

Hamdi was "squarely within the zone of active combat" and had an AK-47 rifle, the court said.

He has not been allowed access to a lawyer or to the government's evidence supporting its claims that he fought with al-Qaida and Taliban forces against the United States. An appeal case is pending but no hearing date has been set.

Hamdi has maintained contact with his family through monthly letters, usually around 10 pages long. "I go out 15 minutes a day. I look at the sky. I see birds. I get bitten by mosquitoes," he wrote in one letter.

"He's being treated well. But he misses us," says his mother. "In his letters he asks each one of us individually to pray for his early release."

"He's already asked me to start looking for a bride for him," she adds with a laugh. "He wants her to be very beautiful, very fair, with black or dark brown hair."

Hamdi's father thinks his son was simply unlucky, going to Afghanistan just two months before the Sept. 11 attacks. "He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time."




TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: enemycombatant; hamdi; norfolk; yaseresamhamdi
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1 posted on 07/04/2003 12:41:16 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
What makes an American? - Michelle Malkin
2 posted on 07/04/2003 12:43:16 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The media is STILL angling for a sob story on Talibunnies like this guy. Like I'm supposed to feel sorry for a jihadi who got caught and gets 3 squares a day, medical care, and a mat and a sign pointing to Mecca.

How many articles do you read about the continuing gaping holes in Lower Manhattan; in the victims' families' lives? How many news outlets mention the pain and anger of relatives and friends of MURDERED INNOCENT CIVILIANS?

I guess 9/11 is just not news anymore.

P.S. To the parents: We haven't heard ONE WORD of apology from you, just complaints. Stuff it.
3 posted on 07/04/2003 12:50:47 AM PDT by petuniasevan (Wind farms to surround DC: National energy needs to be met with hot air to spare...)
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To: kattracks
Feed him bread and water till he tells all he knows.
4 posted on 07/04/2003 1:07:26 AM PDT by noutopia
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To: kattracks
Sorry but this guy is lucky not to be pushing up daisies already.
5 posted on 07/04/2003 1:10:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kattracks
Happy 4th everyone~~~~~~~
6 posted on 07/04/2003 1:32:46 AM PDT by noutopia
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To: kattracks
This guy is caught as a prisoner of war, bearing arms against the US and a U.S Citizen. In WW I or WW II he would not be with us now.
7 posted on 07/04/2003 2:49:38 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: kattracks
In January, a U.S. court of appeals reviewing Hamdi's case ruled that U.S. citizens captured overseas could be treated as enemy combatants without concern for the rights normally afforded in criminal cases.

Case closed.

8 posted on 07/04/2003 3:39:20 AM PDT by angkor
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To: noutopia
Feed him bread and water till he tells all he knows.

In Saudi Arabia, families of the prisoners are expected to provide the bread and water.

9 posted on 07/04/2003 4:21:07 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: kattracks
..in January, a U.S. court of appeals reviewing Hamdi's case ruled that U.S. citizens captured overseas could be treated as enemy combatants...

Then why aren't the Gitmo prisoners being afforded the rights of an enemy combatant?

10 posted on 07/04/2003 4:38:36 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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<< Then why aren't the Gitmo prisoners being afforded the rights of enemy combatants? >>

They are.

With the emphasis on enemy.

They are not, however, prisoners of war and are thus not entitled to any of the "rights" granted by the geneva convention. They are the captured enemies of the United States of America and are subject to United States' Law.

Almost 100% of those who have been released, by the way, have been extremely generous in their reports of how well they were treated whilst being held by the United States of America.
11 posted on 07/04/2003 5:57:04 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
If the prisoners at Gitmo were treated under the Geneva Conventions, they would have been executed long ago.

They were fighting against US forces, but were not wearing a military uniform nor did they possess identification confirming they were military regulars. Under the Geneva Connvention, they are considered sabateurs, and can be executed ON THE SPOT. These rat bastards are lucky to be alive, and are only alive due to the benevolence of the USA.


So take your terrorist sympathies elsewhere, punk.
12 posted on 07/04/2003 6:35:15 AM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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..under the Geneva Connvention, they are considered sabateurs, and can be executed ON THE SPOT...

What utter nonsense. The Geneva convention says no such thing and a US court has found they're enemy combatants. PS save the hot air for someone who cares

13 posted on 07/04/2003 3:27:31 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Brian Allen
G'day Bri,

in a huge rush so can't elaborate at length but my view is we should not surrender, in our rage, to the temptation to use the enemy's tactics- be it with the treatment of prisoners, or anything else. I reckon if we stick to the rule book it draws a clearer delineation between them, and us. Treat POWs justly and the enemy is more likely to surrender, than fight it out. Back in a week, happy 4th July, By

14 posted on 07/04/2003 3:32:12 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Without reading the opinion itself, this article suggests that the appeals court decision concerned U.S. citizens, and not foreign nationals. The case you need to read is that WW2-era one concerning the Nazi saboteurs.
15 posted on 07/04/2003 3:35:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Remember that this guy was taken after the prison uprising. If a POW surrenders only as a gambit to buy time, he can be executed after re-capture.

So this is another point on which you're wrong.
16 posted on 07/04/2003 3:41:01 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Brian Allen
Bri, one idea that might resonate with you especially, a God-fearing man- have you read of Cromwell's campaign, in Ireland? He would arrive with his army outside a walled castle, where the defenders were prepared for a siege, and a battle to the death. Instead of attacking, Cromwell would in many cases reason with them; saying, basically, that his military success proved God was on his side, and that were his men to attack, their castle would fall like so many others. Being inspired, by the example of his merciful God, he would instead offer terms for surrender. Would that argument work with Arabs, given their Old Testament sensibilities?
17 posted on 07/04/2003 3:50:19 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Skywalk; 1rudeboy
..if a POW surrenders only as a gambit to buy time, he can be executed after re-capture....

Prisoners cannot be summarily executed under any circumstances, Skywalk. Wake up to yourself, on Independence Day of all days. Conduct yourself according to the principles on which your country was founded and which has made her great. We will hold the high ground by acting in accordance with the rules of war, not by carrying on like the SS in the Ukraine. Cheers, By

18 posted on 07/04/2003 3:55:15 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
What utter nonsense. The Geneva convention says no such thing

Actually, it does

and a US court has found they're enemy combatants.

The legal phrase being used is "illegal enemy combatants," which is the phrase in the papers surrounding the Geneva Conventions (there are many) referring to someone who doesn't comply with the requirements for a "legal combatant." The main distinction being the uniform and papers referenced by the earlier poster. The difference in the treatment of the two groups is that "legal combatants" are subject to the legal protections of the conventions and "illegal combatants" (spys, sabeteurs, etc.) are not thus protected. By definition the military forces involved can do as they see fit with illegal combatants, which almost always means summary execution.

this is distinct from the obligations of a military for non-combatants. It's therefore very important that they have been identified as combatants. The significance is that they can't say "I was in the wrong place at the wrong time," as these folks are trying to say about their son. The only benefit they'll get out of claming that their son is an American citzen (he was born here while his Saudi parents were in town) is that he can therefore be charged with the only crime enumerated in the constitution, Treason. The big requirement of that crime is that there are at least two witnesses to the treasonous act. I think he qualifies. That's the part of the Constitution that specifically allows capital punishment, you know.

19 posted on 07/04/2003 4:02:56 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: kattracks
A wife? Isn't Miss Piggy available?
20 posted on 07/04/2003 4:10:11 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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