Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

[Doctor Stochastic]

It was published in post 199 of this thread that you did hit the abuse button for one of the last two threads.

[RadioAstronomer]

JS1138: I really want to say something about wildly eliptical orbits. My tongue is all bloody from biting it.

longshadow: Me too!

Well I will! Wildly Eliptical placemarker! hehehehehe

[conservababeJen]

I don't understand why a whole thread should be pulled at all unless it was very early and then only with explanation.

After all, politics is discourse

Agreed

[RadioAstronomer]

The part that pissed me off was that I had pinned a creationist to the wall with his minifig experiment and never got a reply.

You never will. The second they are losing, the thread gets pulled! Hmmmm... go figure.

[ALS]

ok I was gonna let it slide, but js already admitted to doing it in the first thread.

you people never learn.

[ALS]

enough of the lies

your side got its collective butt kicked to Uranus in the last one. None of us wanted it pulled. We were enjoying it too much.

[Aric2000]

We tried to be adults and deal with it CBJ, but your boyfriend won't put up with it.

I tried to show him where his argument was ridiculous, and so have others, we have made some excellent points, but he will NOT admit that it is a silly assertion because his structure is too rigid.

It really is too bad, because as long as he continues with his behavior, there will be no adult conversation from YOUR side.

If attacked we attack back, he starts them, and we join the fray.

It is like a bunch of people debating in a bar, then some big ape walks in the room and starts yelling insults, those that agree with him, back him up, no matter how wrong he is, and those of us that are attacked, attack back.

ALS is the big ape that walks into the bar and starts the brawl.

The debate is civil UNTIL he adds his insults to the thread, then it gets out of control.

It is there for all to see, the examples are there, and when the thread gets deleted, he gets to start all over again, as if it NEVER happened, because all of a sudden there is NO proof. Interesting that.

If you can keep ALS civil, I guarantee the conversation will remain civil. SO leash him up, and watch what happens.

You seem to be the ONLY one he will listen to.

I wonder if he will now send me a threatening E-mail, TELLING me to leave you alone?

[MHGinTN]

Well now I AM lost ... how can an orbit be wildly elliptical and still be an orbit of more than one or three passes?

[ALS]

Don't call me names and DON'T accuse ME of sending you threatening emails unless you want me to post how you cried like a banshee last night when you got caught posting an edited email.

shoo fly!

[Aric2000]

Those wildly elliptical orbits sound particularly uncomfortable. woo, speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, geez, it's a wonder the earth is in one piece at all.

[RadioAstronomer]

None of us wanted it pulled. We were enjoying it too much.

Actually from this point out I am only going to post (on this thread) about what this thread was intended for in the first place.

[Aric2000]

LOL, sorry, it's an inside joke.

A poster has claimed that the planets are in wildly elliptical orbits, and we find it rather amusing, needless to say, he does NOT.

[Aric2000]

As I said, put a leash on him and see what happens.....

[MHGinTN]

Thank you ... er, I guess I'll climb back up on the porch.

[ALS]

Thank you sir. If only post#38 had your resolve.

[RadioAstronomer]

Well now I AM lost ... how can an orbit be wildly elliptical and still be an orbit of more than one or three passes?

This is from a long ago argument that a rather well known poster tried to convince allof us that the planets circling our sun were "wildly elliptical".

[js1138]

It was published in post 199 of this thread that you did hit the abuse button for one of the last two threads.

I hit the abuse button a couple of weeks ago after privately asking a freeper not to post so many images that were unrelated to the discussion. I explained that this makes it difficult for dial-up folks to follow the discussion. After several private back and forths, I hit the button. Absolutely nothing happened. The thread was pulled many hundreds of posts later after an unrelated flame war. This is the button that I openly admitted to at the time and which I have never denied. It's the only one in five years. It's also the one I discussed privately ths morning.

[RadioAstronomer]

Van Flandern was on Coast this week with his exploding planet hypothesis. The asteroids and the other pieces that we see as meteorites seem to have been part of a planet that broke apart. It's an old idea, except for the part where Mars was a moon of this exploded planet. Perhaps this exploded planet was a gas giant, too, and all that is left is pieces of the rocky core. It's at the distance-from-the-sun junction where rocky planets and gas giants meet.

The asteroid belt has an estimated total combined mass of less than 1 tenth of the Earth’s moon. Jupiter also has a profound effect on the asteroid belt. Since Jupiter has a semimajor axis of 5.2 AU (I AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth) it has an orbital period of 11.86 years. Since the asteroids are not all at the same distance from the sun, some of them have an orbital period of one half of Jupiter. This puts that asteroid in a 2:1 orbital resonance with Jupiter. The result of this resonance is gaps called Kirkwood’s gaps. So here is the rub; why did not these asteroids form a planet? The reason is the gravitational force of Jupiter. It perturbs the asteroids giving them random velocities relative to each other. Another effect of both Jupiter and the Sun on the asteroid belt is a group of asteroids that both precede and follow Jupiter in its orbit by 60 degrees. These asteroids are known as the Trojans.

[ALS]

"It's also the one I discussed privately ths morning."

ahhh

[RadioAstronomer]

I think I heard somewhere that the total mass of the asteroid belt is only about 1/4th of a planet, debunking the "exploded planet" theory.

See my post # 238