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Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!
spaceref.com ^ | 3 Jul 03 | staff

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:22:13 AM PDT by RightWhale

Astronomers find 'home from home' - 90 light years away!

Astronomers looking for planetary systems that resemble our own solar system have found the most similar formation so far. British astronomers, working with Australian and American colleagues, have discovered a planet like Jupiter in orbit round a nearby star that is very like our own Sun. Among the hundred found so far, this system is the one most similar to our Solar System. The planet's orbit is like that of Jupiter in our own Solar System, especially as it is nearly circular and there are no bigger planets closer in to its star.

"This planet is going round in a nearly circular orbit three-fifths the size of our own Jupiter. This is the closest we have yet got to a real Solar System-like planet, and advances our search for systems that are even more like our own," said UK team leader Hugh Jones of Liverpool John Moores University.

The planet was discovered using the 3.9-metre Anglo-Australian Telescope [AAT] in New South Wales, Australia. The discovery, which is part of a large search for solar systems that resemble our own, will be announced today (Thursday, July 3rd 2003) by Hugh Jones (Liverpool John Moores University) at a conference on "Extrasolar Planets: Today and Tomorrow" in Paris, France.

"It is the exquisite precision of our measurements that lets us search for these Jupiters - they are harder to find than the more exotic planets found so far. Perhaps most stars will be shown to have planets like our own Solar System", said Dr Alan Penny, from the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory.

The new planet, which has a mass about twice that of Jupiter, circles its star (HD70642) about every six years. HD70642 can be found in the constellation Puppis and is about 90 light years away from Earth. The planet is 3.3 times further from its star as the Earth is from the Sun (about halfway between Mars and Jupiter if it were in our own system).

The long-term goal of this programme is the detection of true analogues to the Solar System: planetary systems with giant planets in long circular orbits and small rocky planets on shorter circular orbits. This discovery of a -Jupiter- like gas giant planet around a nearby star is a step toward this goal. The discovery of other such planets and planetary satellites within the next decade will help astronomers assess the Solar System's place in the galaxy and whether planetary systems like our own are common or rare.

Prior to the discovery of extrasolar planets, planetary systems were generally predicted to be similar to the Solar System - giant planets orbiting beyond 4 Earth-Sun distances in circular orbits, and terrestrial mass planets in inner orbits. The danger of using theoretical ideas to extrapolate from just one example - our own Solar System - has been shown by the extrasolar planetary systems now known to exist which have very different properties. Planetary systems are much more diverse than ever imagined.

However these new planets have only been found around one-tenth of stars where they were looked for. It is possible that the harder-to-find very Solar System-like planets do exist around most stars.

The vast majority of the presently known extrasolar planets lie in elliptical orbits, which would preclude the existence of habitable terrestrial planets. Previously, the only gas giant found to orbit beyond 3 Earth-Sun distances in a near circular orbit was the outer planet of the 47 Ursa Majoris system - a system which also includes an inner gas giant at 2 Earth-Sun distances (unlike the Solar System). This discovery of a 3.3 Earth-Sun distance planet in a near circular orbit around a Sun-like star bears the closest likeness to our Solar System found to date and demonstrates our searches are precise enough to find Jupiter- like planets in Jupiter-like orbit.

To find evidence of planets, the astronomers use a high- precision technique developed by Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute of Washington and Geoff Marcy of the University of California at Berkeley to measure how much a star "wobbles" in space as it is affected by a planet's gravity. As an unseen planet orbits a distant star, the gravitational pull causes the star to move back and forth in space. That wobble can be detected by the 'Doppler shifting' it causes in the star's light. This discovery demonstrates that the long term precision of the team's technique is 3 metres per second (7mph) making the Anglo-Australian Planet Search at least as precise as any of the many planet search projects underway.


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To: donh
There will be no answer to your question, just more disruption.

Placemarker
101 posted on 07/03/2003 4:06:50 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: donh
Since there's not much of a way to guess what size the planet in question originally was, or how it exploded, and therefore, how much of its mass would rightfully be expected to remain in a matching orbit, that seems like a rather doubtful datapoint to me.

Then just assume that the mass would be roughly the mass of the existing rocky planets.

The dynamic at play is the gravitational force of the protostar. The larger rocky fragments would fall towards the center while the smaller ones would be pushed away by the solar winds. As the fragments get larger due to attraction/collisions with other fragments, centrifugal force kicks in and the fragments begin to orbit on their own, sweeping up more dust and fragments in their paths. There is an equilibrium point where the fragments haven't fallen in and are too dense to be pushed away further when the protostar ignites and blows the dust away. These fragments became the asteroid belt, but weren't big enough to form a planet (the mass wasn't enough to attract the lumps to each other to form one single mass).

-PJ -PJ

102 posted on 07/03/2003 4:08:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: js1138
Why not just our "Star-gate"? I am sure that someone has the address...


LOL
103 posted on 07/03/2003 4:09:40 PM PDT by Knightsofswing (sic semper tranyis [death to tryants!!])
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To: Prodigal Son
They don't teach things well in school. Most depends on the teacher, and if the teacher doesn't get it, the students won't learn it, from that teacher anyway. A person could go outside and do some independent reading, Julian Huxley, Teilhard de Chardin, but it won't be spoonfed and the student is out there with the big boys where you have to decide for yourself. Don't worry about Marx, he had something to say about everything and was a blowhard on top of it all. None of his stuff is in favor anymore.
104 posted on 07/03/2003 4:10:31 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
90 light years away puts it in the Milky Way, does it not? What part of the Milky Way is it in?
105 posted on 07/03/2003 4:10:35 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Political Junkie Too
the asteroid belt is only about 1/4th of a planet

That's right, there isn't enough mass in the Asteroid Belt. So the mystery continues.

106 posted on 07/03/2003 4:11:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
Hillary gave up Marxism?
107 posted on 07/03/2003 4:15:25 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: balrog666
A troll is a troll for anyone to see.
108 posted on 07/03/2003 4:16:28 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: RightWhale
Don't worry about Marx,

You lost me there. This thread is getting a bit bizarre. I asked another poster what evolution had to do with a Jupiter like planet and now I'm going to ask you- what has Marx to do with it?

All I was saying is- I don't recall Darwin ever mentioning the creation of planets or predicting the existence of them. I'm really sure he didn't. This has nothing to do with the teachers- it has to do with Darwin's works. Did he make mention of the creation of universes, galaxies, planets? That's all I was commenting upon.

109 posted on 07/03/2003 4:17:08 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Knightsofswing
let's find out if it is a liveable place.

There's a large number of people all over earth today who are thinking something along those lines. The distance is so large compared to what we can handle with our technology, the detail we can see is so small compared to what we need to see, that we have a lot of development work to do if we want to be effective in the interstellar world. This should impact everything if a planet even close to earthlike is found there in the next few years.

110 posted on 07/03/2003 4:17:12 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: VadeRetro
evoself-deprecation bump
111 posted on 07/03/2003 4:17:49 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: aristeides
What part of the Milky Way is it in?

It's in our backyard. The local arm of the Milky Way. The galaxy is a million times bigger than this trivial volume between earth and HD whatever.

112 posted on 07/03/2003 4:20:05 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: ALS
No, Hilla is mired in the deep past.
113 posted on 07/03/2003 4:20:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
The galaxy is a million times bigger than this trivial volume between earth and HD whatever.

Although astonomers think in such terms on a regular basis- the galaxy is so large as to be simply beyond human comprehension. Then you look at those pictures from Hubble of all those billions of galaxies... It's enough to foggle the mind. Just the sheer scope of it all...

114 posted on 07/03/2003 4:23:10 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
what has Marx to do with it?

Someone else brought up the subject of evolution and Marx. There isn't any connection with Marx except that his name was mentioned. Forget Marx.

Darwin, though, brought up evolution as a concept and gave it some initial substance, but many others have run with the theory and extended it way beyond Darwin's small example of the origin of species. If you stop with Darwin, you stop before 99% of the applications.

115 posted on 07/03/2003 4:25:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Knightsofswing
Hey let's find out if it is a liveable place. Let's send all of the liberals there to set up their utiopa!

Heh, good idea. I'm always reminded of the Star Trek episode of "Who Morns for Adonis" where the Enterprise comes across the Greek god Apollo. Apollo wanted to create a utopia where the Enterprise crew would worship him and he'd care for them but Kirk basically told him that "we grew up and out of that." Well, of course, they had to destroy Apollo's source of power and he went where the other Greek gods went.

Well, I was thinking with the liberals and able-bodied welfare cases where they don't want to do anything. I think I'd cut a deal with Apollo instead of fighting him. What I would do is leave some of my people there who wanted shore leave with Apollo since I'm sure he'd want something to hold to keep me to my word plus too they can explain to him what these new settlers would want in a utopia while I'm away. I then would transfer the liberals and able-bodied welfare bums to Apollo to care for.

The deal works for everybody, the Enterprise goes free and I get my people back, the tax base is saved a lot of money and can funnel it back to the taxpayers, and Apollo would get his people to care for. Captain Kirk does pretty well in the diplomacy department, but I think he failed here because he didn't think of the new potential he found by not thinking outside of the box.
116 posted on 07/03/2003 4:25:47 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: RightWhale
We don't have to worry about Marx anymore, but we still have to worry about his way.

It creeps into conservatism in the most insidious ways.
117 posted on 07/03/2003 4:26:28 PM PDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin of Species)
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To: skinkinthegrass
http://www.ship3.fsnet.co.uk/warp_factors.htm
(scroll down at the site for a chart)

Warp factor is the unit of measure for faster-than-light warp velocities generated by warp drive. Warp factor one is c, the speed of light, while higher speeds are computed geometrically under one of two different formulae. USS Voyager's warp capability is computed under the second formula.

The Constitution-class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 had a cruising speed of warp factor 6, and could reach warp 8 only with significant danger to the ship itself [TOS: Arena], but it nevertheless attained warp 11 in 2267 when modified by the Nomad device [TOS: The Changeling]. The Kelvans also modified the ship's engines to reach warp 11 [TOS: By Any Other Name]. The ship reached warp 14.1 in 2268 when the warp engines were sabotoged [TOS: That Which Survives].
It is not known whether warp 5 which could be attained by NX-01 Enterprise, captained by Jonathan Archer in the 2150s, was calculating warp factor speed by that or another method [Enterprise].


By the 24th century, a new warp factor scale was in use that employed an asymptotic curve, placing warp 10 as an infinite value.
Under the new scale, the Galaxy-class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D had a normal cruising speed of warp 6 (392 times light speed, about warp 7.3 under the old system), and a maximum normal velocity of warp 9.2 (about 1649 times light speed, equivalent to about warp 11.8 in the 'old' system).

In 2370, following the formation of a massive subspace rift within the Hekaras Corridor, the Federation Council agreed that the use of warp fields posed a significant threat to some areas of space. Therefore the Council decreed that some areas would be limited to essential travel only. Furthermore, the Council imposed a Federation-wide 'speed limit' of warp 5, which could only be exceeded in times of extreme emergency [TNG: Force of Nature]. Later advances in Federation warp drive technology permitted the use of speeds exceeding warp 5. One of the first ships to be so equipped was the Intrepid-class U.S.S. Voyager, whose variable-geometry warp drive nacelles prevented damage to the subspace continuum.

118 posted on 07/03/2003 4:27:06 PM PDT by visualops (Fight for the freedom and liberty of your fellow man as you would your own.)
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To: RightWhale
If you stop with Darwin, you stop before 99% of the applications.

Ok. But I've kept up with physics- to some degree- over the years. It is news to me that Darwinism is closely related to the origins of the universe, galaxies, planetary systems etc. This connection, I would reckon, is pure speculation. Darwinism could be totally disproved and the Big Bang would still hold. Gravity, the Strong and Weak Forces- these things don't unravel if we lack Darwin.

I just fail to see any connection between a large planet orbiting a star nearby and how life may or may not have begun on this planet.

119 posted on 07/03/2003 4:31:52 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: ALS
It creeps into conservatism in the most insidious ways.

Right you are. It's kind of off the main theme of this thread, which is that there could be another earthlike planet for us if we can get there.

120 posted on 07/03/2003 4:32:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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