Greece protests U.S.-Macedonia agreement

Washington Times ^ | Thursday, July 3, 2003 | By Sharon Behn

[JohnHuang2]

Greece, which views with deep suspicion the use of the name Macedonia by its northern neighbor, officially known as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, appeared doubly riled yesterday when the name cropped up in an official international document it also views with disfavor.

[JohnHuang2]

Thursday, July 3, 2003

Quote of the Day by fightinJAG

[longtermmemmory]

Tito renamed the provice in the 50 as a territory grab.

I have been to the state of Macedonia, it is absolutly beautiful. The mountains are just perfect and you find yourself staring. I have seen it in winter and in summer words can fill it.

The Tomb of Ancient King Philip father of Alexander the Great (a Greek) is there.

[Scorpian]

"The Tomb of Ancient King Philip father of Alexander the Great (a Greek) is there."

Actually, he was/is Macedonian!

[longtermmemmory]

Macedonia IS Greece. You don't get out much do you?

[Phatheon]

Alexander was Macedonian like Plato was Athenian. Get it Yank?

[longtermmemmory]

Alexander was Greek. just as texans are americans. Get a grip and read up on history not just leftist revisionist propaganda. (the region Tito renamed "macedonia" as part of the yugoslavian republic during the 50's is not the heart of the historic region. Remember Philip is burried in Greece.) As long as you are centering alexander on Greek history and culture thats fine. There are excellent books on Alexanders life and how they have been "deviated" by modern university professors with various agendas.

Alexander the Great has alway been a Greek. In thesaloniki there is an excellent museam which is dedicated to the history of the region and alexander specifically. I would highliy recomend it. (Few realize Alexander had a wife and son. There is significant written history regarding the love afair between Alexander and his Wife. After his death to fever, Alexander's political enemies had her and the heir killed to solidify their claims to the throne)

[Scorpian]

"Macedonia IS Greece. You don't get out much do you?"

It seems that your narrow minded longtermmemory is deeply ill informed if you think that Macedonia is Greece! You have no idea of history besides that of Greek propaganda groups. Get your facts right before you try to educate yourself in Macedonia history.

[bitola]

Greeks are racist pagans and dont deserve to be EU. As far as Macedonians being Greeks, thats about as close as saying Irish are English. Get the point!

[bitola]

Scorpian, how nice to hear you.

[nomoreheroes]

Greeks are racist pagans

Easy there! Racism is against the ground rules here.

[nomoreheroes]

The facts are in the coins:

http://www.usask.ca/antiquities/coins/macedonia.html

[bitola]

NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL REAL HISTORY, RIGHT FROM THE SOUCE, NOT FROM THE PAGES OF IMPERIALISM 101.



Primary Source: Demosthenes on Philip of Macedon



Demosthenes (384-322 BC)
Continuing our series of articles based on book excerpts, we present a portion of the Third Philippic by the ancient Greek statesman and master orator Demosthenes (384-322 BC), with an aim to incite our readers to look through the primary sources, which are supposed to be used in writing of history. This may become mighty useful considering the PR opportunities offered by making of 3 new motion pictures about Alexander the Great.

Excerpt from the Third Philippic (italics added):

[30] Ay, and you know this also, that the wrongs which the Greeks suffered from the Lacedaemonians or from us, they suffered at all events at the hands of true-born sons of Greece, and they might have been regarded as the acts of a legitimate son, born to great possessions, who should be guilty of some fault or error in the management of his estate: so far he would deserve blame and reproach, yet it could not be said that it was not one of the blood, not the lawful heir who was acting thus. [31] But if some slave or superstitious bastard had wasted and squandered what he had no right to, heavens! how much more monstrous and exasperating all would have called it! Yet they have no such qualms about Philip and his present conduct, though he is not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honor, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave.
[32] Yet what is wanting to crown his insolence? Not content with the destruction of cities, is he not organizing the Pythian games, the common festival of the Greeks, and if he cannot be present in person, sending his menials to act as stewards? [Is he not master of Thermopylae and the passes into Greece, holding those places with his garrisons and his mercenaries? Has he not the right of precedence at the Oracle, ousting us and the Thessalians and the Dorians and the rest of the Amphictyons from a privilege which not even all Greek states can claim?]

Excerpt end. This text is based on the following book:

Demosthenes. Demosthenes with an English translation by J. H. Vince, M.A. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William
Heinemann Ltd. 1930.
OCLC: 10903499
ISBN: 0674992636

[bitola]

YOU MUST OF FORGOT ABOUT THE REAAAL OLD HISTORY BOOKS. MUST BE THAT REAAAL LONG TERM MEMORY OF YOURS.