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How Did Taxes Get So Bad?
Nealz Nuze ^ | 7/1/3 | Boortz

Posted on 07/01/2003 3:49:49 PM PDT by Principled

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To: Ima Lurker
...as long as there are people out there who are stupid enough to think they actually benefit from raising taxes on "the rich" I don't see any hope in reforming the system.

IMO, changing the way we collect tax CAN have a significant effect.

21 posted on 07/01/2003 4:44:01 PM PDT by Principled
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To: blackdog
Who weeps for the tuna?

I always do... After all, tuna have a face...

:^(
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22 posted on 07/01/2003 4:48:09 PM PDT by GhostofWCooper
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To: Principled
I find it incredible we always seem to want Big Government out of our bedrooms yet welcome them into our pockets and every other aspect of our lives!
23 posted on 07/01/2003 4:50:37 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Principled
Oh I agree completely. I just don't think it can happen until there is an uprising of the people and that won't happen as long as so many people think they are not paying taxes. Kind of a "catch 22" I'm afraid.
24 posted on 07/01/2003 5:09:39 PM PDT by Ima Lurker
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To: Principled
"How did taxes get so bad?"

Rinos and democrats, that's how. People have discovered that they can vote themselves shares, that they don't deserve, from the common treasury. It's a process by which we will impoverish ourselves.

25 posted on 07/01/2003 5:24:24 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: GhostofWCooper
There's a houseful of parasites across the street from me. Every one is on disability or welfare, they never go to work. Every morning I lay on the horn when I'm passing their house, to wake their sorry asses up.

Good for you! I used to have an office right across from some townhouses. There was one fat guy who sat around all day without a shirt who was on disability. Course that didn't stop him from fixing up cars part time and selling them!

26 posted on 07/01/2003 5:26:50 PM PDT by ikka
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To: Principled
How about eliminating the entire income tax code and eliminating the IRS too?

That still leaves Social Security, and it will require some bureau to collect it.

27 posted on 07/01/2003 5:58:02 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
Well, no. Under the nrst hr25, there is no payroll tax. In fact, there is no federal withholding whatsoever.

SS is still paid - via revenues from the sales tax. So sales tax will fund SS.

28 posted on 07/01/2003 6:06:37 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
As one of the working poor that our political class claims to have so much compassion for, I notice that the bulk of my taxes go to a fraudulent pension retirement system. And given that SS only pays two percent rate of return, while the market pays eight, three-quarters of the value is mysteriously missing.

While I slog off to work at grueling manual labor jobs, I notice that many of my able-bodied neighbors don't seem to have jobs or families to support them. They're on SS 'disability' though the only disability they have is the disability of self-indulgence in addiction to illegal drugs. So that's where the other three-quarters of my tax revenues go . . . .

But it's all good. It's a good life . . . I have to say that, so the government doesn't turn me into a jack-in-the-box and bury me in the cornfield.

29 posted on 07/01/2003 6:08:36 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://www.geocities.com/engineerzero)
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To: ikka
At least fatboy does something. I do sympathize with you on the no-shirt thing. What's up with that? I'm gettin a paunch, but I have the common decency to wear baggy shirts.

The losers across the street only come out at night to talk loud so noone can get any sleep... and they don't do anything at all, I've ever noticed. What a country.
Be a bum, we'll pay you.
Get out and VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

30 posted on 07/01/2003 7:17:00 PM PDT by GhostofWCooper
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To: Principled

We need to make taxes visible whenever possible.

True.

Personally, I would vote for an amendment that would require that ALL taxes in ALL jurisdictions take the form of a retail sales tax.  No more income tax.  No more property tax.  No more inheritance tax.  Just sales taxes, at every level.  That way, the taxpayers would be forced to realize, every time the cash register rings, just how much of their money the various levels of government are extracting from them.

I know that I won't see it in my time.  But, it is a way that would make all taxes visible.

 

31 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:46 PM PDT by Action-America (The next country to invade Europe has to keep France!)
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To: GhostofWCooper
I'm havin fun being a radical here. There's a houseful of parasites across the street from me. Every one is on disability or welfare, they never go to work. Every morning I lay on the horn when I'm passing their house, to wake their sorry asses up.

I've had to live around the parasites before. They sleep until 2 pm, start their drugging and drinking about 8pm and go all night. Every day is the same thing for them, never any reason to get up in the morning, never a reason to do much of anything. You always knew when their checks and food stamps would be arriving, they go out and hang at the mailboxes for hours waiting for the mailman to show.

32 posted on 07/01/2003 7:28:01 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
It makes me wonder what they're stealing to pay for the beer and dope. (I think they're pimping out a couple of scarecrows in there, too.) There is a poor little toddler playing near the street all the time. As soon as he's old enough to keep his lies straight, he'll be on sosh security too. (if he lives that long, it's a busy street)
33 posted on 07/01/2003 7:35:41 PM PDT by GhostofWCooper
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To: GhostofWCooper
It makes me wonder what they're stealing to pay for the beer and dope.

The government gives them way too much for one --- it's very common to see the stupidest people figure out where every handout program is. I know a couple here ---they had disability, Medicaid, food stamps, government housing, WIC, Head Start which gave the kids free breakfast and lunch ---allowing them to sell many of the food stamps for beer and shopping trips to the mall, Project Bravo would come and repair their home, free cheese, milk, and formula. Plus even though they were on welfare and the father was collecting disability, he'd really do odd jobs on the side and not report that income.

For starters, the government should roll all the welfare and handout programs into one big program to eliminate the duplication, triplication etc.

34 posted on 07/01/2003 7:44:40 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Principled
SS is still paid - via revenues from the sales tax. So sales tax will fund SS.

Well, this is good. My main difficulty with the income tax is the degree of intrusion it places on the individual by the Federal government (we're gonna pay the taxes one way or the other, I just prefer the other). I've advocated NRST since my early twenties, over 30 years, since before it was even on the edges of the political screen. I've now seen it go from something that I kind of felt like I was the only one promoting (and getting a reputation for being some kind of hippie political freak for doing so) to being proposed in Congress.

I know a lot of people are afraid of it(the NRST), but I can't see our current system doing anything but becoming unmanageable over the next two decades with total chaos resulting. I don't see the flat tax as any kind of real reform, and it still leaves the intrusiviness of the IRS in place.

35 posted on 07/01/2003 8:12:38 PM PDT by templar
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To: FITZ
Damn... Where do I sign up?
36 posted on 07/01/2003 8:27:44 PM PDT by GhostofWCooper
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To: blackdog
Government is not responsible for building this "civilized society." The People are. So why government should be able to ransom that civilization in the form of onerous taxation is beyond me.

And Oliver Wendell Holmes be damned!

37 posted on 07/02/2003 4:33:49 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Taxman
Doin' good. Thanks for the link.
38 posted on 07/02/2003 4:34:16 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Principled
Hidden taxes are evil. We need to make taxes visible whenever possible.

And this is just on payroll taxes, which is generally not even half of most people's total tax burden, the rest of it being hidden in the form of higher prices (including higher interest rates) and lower return on investment thanks to corporate (and self-employment) income taxes, "employer's share" payroll taxes, exise taxes, fees, etc.

39 posted on 07/02/2003 6:14:24 AM PDT by kevkrom (Dump the income tax -- support an NRST!)
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To: Principled
"Democracy will fail when the masses discover they can vote the Treasury".

NOW, the Clintons, Rainbow Coalition, PETA, PBS.

All of these scumbags receive the benefit of your voluntary tax dollars.

Work hard.

40 posted on 07/02/2003 6:25:26 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (To smash the ugly face of Socialism is our mission.)
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