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Ala. Judge Loses Ten Commandments Appeal
Washington Post ^ | July 1, 2003 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/01/2003 2:47:12 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian

ATLANTA - A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that a Ten Commandments monument the size of a washing machine must be removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirmed a ruling by a federal judge who said that the 2 1/2-ton granite monument, placed there by Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

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Moore put the monument in the rotunda of the courthouse in the middle of the night two summers ago. The monument features tablets bearing the Ten Commandments and historical quotations about the place of God in law.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; roymoore; tencommandments
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To: Dog Gone
I can envision the year 2400 when Islam or Gaia or some other religion has gained predominance in America. This ruling would protect me and uphold the Constitution.

You have got to be joking. You seriously think that in some future Islamic-majority America that Muslim government officials who would otherwise want to quash Christianity will be shaking in their boots, their plans thwarted because of the 1st Amendment, much less some dumbass ruling on courthouse decor? I can imagine it now... "Darn it, Achmed -- we would have gotten away with it, too, it weren't for those 11th Circuit infidels and their meddling Constitutional interpretation!"

181 posted on 07/01/2003 7:18:26 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: jwalsh07
Yep, and your question amply demonstrated that you didn't even know what the case was about before you went off expressing opinions about it - opinions you are clearly entitled to state, no matter how uninformed they are.
182 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:17 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: jwalsh07
Yep, and your question amply demonstrated that you didn't even know what the case was about before you went off expressing opinions about it - opinions you are clearly entitled to state, no matter how uninformed they are.
183 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:18 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Centurion2000
This is the stuff of Lexington and Concord.

No it's not. This is about a publicity seeking politician trying to abuse the Ten Commandments and the Constitution to get himself elected.

184 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:18 PM PDT by FreeLibertarian (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: jwalsh07
Yep, and your question amply demonstrated that you didn't even know what the case was about before you went off expressing opinions about it - opinions you are clearly entitled to state, no matter how uninformed they are.
185 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:18 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
You're just covering up for 'em.
186 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lugsoul
You're just covering up for 'em.
187 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lugsoul
Not even that, FL - you can worship in a public building as much as you like - as long as the government isn't assisting, participating, or endorsing the worship of your religion.

Where do you get all that? Because that is what you want? There is no basis in the constitution nor history for that view of the first amendment. Only after FDR filled the court with socialists were Americans not allowed free exercise of religion.

Read some history. Congress not only hired ministers, Congress gave thousands of acres of land to Christian ministries. Even today, billions are spent every year on promoting religion. The Rev. Floyd Flake receives Federal money for his day care program--one in which children are required to memorize Bible verses. We even have religious prisons--Otisville is Kosher, New Mexico allows Native Americans certain programs others do get, ministers all over are on the public payroll.

188 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:42 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Centurion2000
This is the stuff of Lexington and Concord.

No it's not. This is about a publicity seeking politician trying to abuse the Ten Commandments and the Constitution to get himself elected.

189 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:42 PM PDT by FreeLibertarian (You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: Sir Gawain
And the people of this state would be stupid enough to do just that! We got rid of (former govenor) Guy Hunt and the people of this state would make the same damn mistake all over again by voting in Moore if (unfortunately) he were to run!
190 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:46 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: jwalsh07
Yep, and your question amply demonstrated that you didn't even know what the case was about before you went off expressing opinions about it - opinions you are clearly entitled to state, no matter how uninformed they are.

Or perhaps it is your opinion, like Judge Moore's, that the Constitution allows any religious display in a government building, even when that display is expressly intended to promote a single religion to the exclusion of others. If that is your view, enough said.

191 posted on 07/01/2003 7:23:47 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Dog Gone
The Koran acknowledges the Prophets and the Law. Didn't you ever wonder what that meant? BTW, it's not likely you would see the words of the Koran rendered into a large statue - that's un-Koranic. On the other hand, Moslems are in the habit of writing phrases on banners which are then hung on buildings.

Before you create these negative comparisons you might well educate yourself about what the adherents of other religions really do and what they think. I know you will be startled when you check out Islam.

192 posted on 07/01/2003 7:24:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lugsoul
Not even that, FL - you can worship in a public building as much as you like - as long as the government isn't assisting, participating, or endorsing the worship of your religion.

Where do you get all that? Because that is what you want? There is no basis in the constitution nor history for that view of the first amendment. Only after FDR filled the court with socialists were Americans not allowed free exercise of religion.

Read some history. Congress not only hired ministers, Congress gave thousands of acres of land to Christian ministries. Even today, billions are spent every year on promoting religion. The Rev. Floyd Flake receives Federal money for his day care program--one in which children are required to memorize Bible verses. We even have religious prisons--Otisville is Kosher, New Mexico allows Native Americans certain programs others do get, ministers all over are on the public payroll.

193 posted on 07/01/2003 7:24:55 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: lugsoul
You know what they say about people who assume.

You know what they say about people who assume.

You know what they say about people who assume.

You know what they say about people who assume.

194 posted on 07/01/2003 7:24:59 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
He is an egomaniac as well as (spit!) Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.
195 posted on 07/01/2003 7:26:02 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: DPB101
Can you read? I didn't say anything about the government prohibiting free exercise. What I addressed was prohibiting the government from promoting the exercise of a specific religion. I don't know how you read history if that is a demostration of your reading comprehension skills.
196 posted on 07/01/2003 7:26:20 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: Texas_Jarhead
You must have referred to something ~ have no idea what it is. Maybe you didn't like my remark that someone else's religious sensibilities are nothing more than a narrow sectarian bias.

Besides, what are all you guys doing going to church on Sunday when you should be in full attendance on Saturday, as well as Wednesday night.

197 posted on 07/01/2003 7:27:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lugsoul
Yep, that will ensure the already impending death of the State of Alabama

Explain this statement please.

198 posted on 07/01/2003 7:28:39 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: muawiyah
Muawiyah -

Since your post is so far up the thread, why not be clear what you are saying? You are saying that these three judges want to kill Jews in gas ovens.

Yep, you've got class.

199 posted on 07/01/2003 7:28:39 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
Now back to the first amendment.

Are Chaplains in the armed forces Constitutional?

Are prayers in Congress Constitutional?

They are both paid for with public funds and take place on public property, no?

Does the DOI have to strike the words "endowed by the creator".

Do the words "in the Year of Our Lord", have to be struck from the Constitution?

200 posted on 07/01/2003 7:28:44 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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