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US plans hypersonic bomber
BBC News ^ | 7/1/03

Posted on 07/01/2003 7:22:07 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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1 posted on 07/01/2003 7:22:07 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Do we have to tell China and Russia when we launch one, so they don't think it's an ICBM headed their way and respond in kind?
2 posted on 07/01/2003 7:27:04 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: coloradan
It won't be ready until 2025 - by that time who knows where we will be.
3 posted on 07/01/2003 7:29:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: msdrby
military ping
4 posted on 07/01/2003 7:32:06 AM PDT by Prof Engineer ( Texans don't even care where Europe is on the map.)
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To: areafiftyone
This is really nothing new. "Pumpkin Seed" can already perform same tasks, but is air breathing.
5 posted on 07/01/2003 7:40:03 AM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper station.........)
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To: coloradan
Aside from frightening Russia and China, is there some reason we don't use ICBM's (with simple explosive warheads)? I would think that Shock and Awe could be achieved with MIRV technology and a quick ICBM attack.

But apparently there is a reason we need a new delivery system.

6 posted on 07/01/2003 7:50:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy
Expense? An ICBM is probably hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars, which might be pretty expensive to deliver a $20,000 warhead.
7 posted on 07/01/2003 8:07:03 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: ClearCase_guy
But apparently there is a reason we need a new delivery system.

Well, an ICBM is a huge and costly affair just to deliver a few pounds of payload. The new system(s) seem to be aimed at being mostly reusable.

8 posted on 07/01/2003 8:11:44 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: areafiftyone
Why don't they just use the manned one they already have?
9 posted on 07/01/2003 8:15:34 AM PDT by Gary Boldwater
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Why don't they just use the manned one they already have?

It takes a man...

If you remove the man from the vehicle, it becomes smaller, cheaper, more manuverable, dispensible, replicable, personnel costs become cheaper. A squadron of drones can sit partially assembled in a hangar for years, and need little maintenance, zero training and be fully functional in a short time. A squadron of manned vehicles need highly trained extremely fit air-crews, that need constant training, hence constant flying with the requsite fuel and maintenance costs plus maintenance crews etc.

10 posted on 07/01/2003 10:01:20 AM PDT by ElectricRook
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To: *miltech; Ernest_at_the_Beach
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11 posted on 07/01/2003 10:01:37 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP; *tech_index; MizSterious; shadowman99; Sparta; freedom9; martin_fierro; ...
Thanks for the ping!

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12 posted on 07/01/2003 10:11:55 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Iran Mullahs will feel the heat from our Iraq victory!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
a reason we need a new delivery system

ICBMs are limited in flexibility. Easy to hit with an ABM, and cannot be recalled when the red phone jangles.

13 posted on 07/01/2003 10:15:18 AM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: areafiftyone
Jerry Pournelle's Project Thor flies again!

Pournelle and others on a team at Boeing in the 60s proposed kinetic energy weapons in orbit. Basically a bundle of "crowbars," dense metal rods with some ablative re-entry on the tip and just enough brains and steering ability to recognize and drop on the thing that was being targeted. He used them, or his Alien attackers did (very effectively), against Kansas National Guard tanks in Footall.

Thor would involve a projectile of around 27kg, traveling at orbital velocity, around 8,000 meters per second. The kinetic energy would therefore equal 864 mega joules, or over 200 kg or TNT (I got the math from the "Voyage to Arcturus" blog: http://avoyagetoarcturus.blogspot.com/2003_04_01_avoyagetoarcturus_archive.html).

You could loft a whole lot of these with any of the proposed systems on a moments notice. Put them in orbit with some maneuvering ability before release and every 90 minutes or so you'd have the option of dropping them over just about anybody you wanted to. How about a bundle of 1,000 of these things dropping on a massed Iranian army? An Al Qaeda traning compound? The DN... no, that would be wrong...

14 posted on 07/01/2003 10:29:01 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok
What we need is a Space Elevator so that additional "hammers" can be quickly and cheaply sent into space.
15 posted on 07/01/2003 10:38:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: areafiftyone; All
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16 posted on 07/01/2003 12:38:51 PM PDT by yonif
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To: areafiftyone
They stole my idea! When I first read the ending of Clancy's Sum of All Fears I came up with the idea of using conventional ICBM's to take out nasties such as Saddam, bin Laden, etc.
17 posted on 07/01/2003 12:50:28 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: Phsstpok
Yep...Thor is a great idea and would be cheap to implement.
18 posted on 07/01/2003 12:53:12 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: RightWhale
The idea is that the HCV would take off from a conventional airfield in the continental United States carrying a 12,000 pound (5,500 kilogram) payload.

I've worked extensively with the services and DoD--let me translate this for everybody:

"The idea is that Boeing is getting eaten alive by Airbus and we want to find a way to give them money. We will tailor the initial requirements so that only Boeing can meet them as in Requirement One: Lead System Integrator will have a name starting with a 'B' and ending with 'ing'.

Once Boeing bids the contract at a price, the Gov will give them exactly half of that price. All requirements of the program will then be waived except Requirement One.

The final product will take off only from a very specialized airstrip with very special facilities (Edwards AFB only) and will carry the payload of a teacup. Its range will be slightly longer than the length of the runway.

A loop of it taking off for a 'test hop' will be shown over and over and the Air Force and DoD will claim it is a breakthrough, 'revolutionizing' warfare--while all the guys who operate it and maintain it know it is a dog."

I am losing faith that the Big Fine American Defense Contractors (BFADs) can even produce an actual operational major acquisition program. We haven't had one in about 12 years....

19 posted on 07/01/2003 12:53:43 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Ahhhhh . . . The Fountains of Paradise.
20 posted on 07/01/2003 12:55:52 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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