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What Are Our Options When the Constitution No Longer Protects Us?
June 30, 2003
| sweetliberty
Posted on 06/30/2003 5:33:56 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: sweetliberty
"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election... It adds up to a preconceived plan to distroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"
-- George W. Malone, U.S. Senator(Nevada) 1957
"To the States or any one of them, or any city of the States: Resist much, obey little. Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved, ... no nation, state, city, on this earth ever afterward assumes its liberty."
-- Walt Whitman - To the States
"Freedom is hunting, feeding, danger; that, that is freedom --that it is which makes the veins to swell, the breast to heave and glow; aye, that is freedom, --that is pleasure --life!"
-- Marie Lovell
"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr. (1963)
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy (Life member of the NRA)
"You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered."
-- Lyndon Johnson
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"In 1931, when Brave New World was being written, I was convinced that there was still plenty of time. The completely organized society, the scientific caste system, the abolition of free will by methodical conditioning, the servitude made acceptable by regular doses of chemically induced happiness, the orthodoxies drummed in by nightly courses of sleep-teaching - these things were coming all right, but not in my time, not even in the time of my grandchildren....Twenty-seven years later,...I feel a good deal less optimistic... In the West,...individual men and women still enjoy a large measure of freedom. But...this freedom and even the desire for this freedom seem to be on the wane."
-- Aldous Huxley Brave New World Revisited 1958
"They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal health care in Cuba. So why do they want to come here?"
-- Paul Harvey 8/31/94
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it."
-- Justice Learned Hand
"The right to be let alone is the underlying principle of the Constitution's Bill of Rights."
-- Erwin Griswold - (Dean, Harvard Law School - 1960)
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
-- Barry Goldwater
"Whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
-- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789.
"I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor."
-- King George III of England
"Claim of actual innocence based on newly discovered evidence is not ground for federal habeas relief."
-- US Supreme Court 1/93 (prisoner executed 5/93)
"There is no reason to set these guilty findings aside merely because the verdicts cannot rationally be reconciled."
-- U.S. District Judge Walter Smith (3/9/94), reinstating charges of weapons violations of Branch Davidians at the behest of federal prosecutors.
No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.
-- 16 Am. Jur. Sec. 177 late 2d, Sec 256
Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.
-- Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491
To: .38sw; Common Tator
Nice to see you Cheri. Check out
this post of Common Tator's from another thread.
"the Constitution is not the Supreme Law of the land. The Supreme law of this land is what ever 5 of the nine Supreme court justices say it is."
What is wrong with this picture?
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posted on
06/30/2003 10:18:56 PM PDT
by
sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: FreedomCalls
I wish everyone had your common sense.
To: MatthewViti
Excellent quotes. I suppose there are some on this board who would consider them seditious. Here are a few more that we seem to have long since lost sight of:
Patrick Henry has noted: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not by religions, but by the gospel of Jesus Christ."
Samuel Adams, just after the 13 colonies voted to separate from England said: "We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom alone men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting sun, may His kingdom come."
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana.
"The only foundation for a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments." Benjamin Rush, college professor and physician.
"It would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this official act my fervent supplication to that Almighty Being, who rules over the universe, who presides in the council of nations, and whose providential aid can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States...Every step by which they have advanced seems to have been distinguished by some providential agency. We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained." George Washington, President of the United States.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, Founding Father.
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that their liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson, President of the United States.
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." First Chief Justice, John Jay, and Governor of New York.
"Where there is no religion, there is no morality...with the loss of religion...the ultimate foundation of confidence is blown up; and of life, liberty and property are buried in ruins." Timothy Dwight, President, Yale University, July 4, 1798.
"The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." Noah Webster, compiler of the American Dictionary of the English Language in 1828.
"Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all the blessings which flow from them, must fall with them." Jedidiah Morse, father of American Geography. Also father of Samuel Morse inventor of the telegraph and "Morse Code".
"It is impossible to mentally or socially enslave a Bible-reading people." Horace Greeley founder of the New York Tribune.
"It is my conviction that the fundamental trouble with the people of the United States is that they have gotten too far away from Almighty God." Warren G. Harding, 29th President of the United States.
"If we and our posterity shall be true to the Christian religion, if we and they shall live always in the fear of God and shall respect His Commandments...we may have the highest hopes of the future fortunes of our country...But if we and our posterity neglect religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity." Daniel Webster
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posted on
06/30/2003 10:34:12 PM PDT
by
sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: ETERNAL WARMING
The only option we have is to unite and throw out the corrupt, self-serving two party system by voting for a Third.
What nonsense. Get back to me when you have achieved the 'unite' part. At that point a 3rd Party is really moot anyway.
To: sweetliberty
Rock On "SweetLiberty". Take it to the streets and preach it. It is time to revive the 1994 message that got lost.
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posted on
06/30/2003 10:43:19 PM PDT
by
Captain Beyond
(The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
To: sweetliberty; Common Tator
Common Tator:
"the Constitution is not the Supreme Law of the land. The Supreme law of this land is what ever 5 of the nine Supreme court justices say it is."
What is wrong with this picture?
182 -SL-
It has no basis in reality, just as most of Tators comments.
The USSC court are not our masters. They have no power to enforce their decisions. Congress has the power to make 'Exceptions' under Art III and the President the power to ignore them.
Checks & balances work, if there is a political will to apply them
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posted on
06/30/2003 10:46:29 PM PDT
by
tpaine
(Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weakn)
To: american spirit; stainlessbanner; sweetliberty
Thanks, folks. The bulk of my post was a cut-and-paste, though I was reading it and saying YES, YES, YES, because it's all so true.
IMO, the Southern Bapitists have been steadfast in their values, beliefs, and teachings in accordance with Jesus and biblical verse. I'm a Southern Baptist myself. I attend a church that averages 600-800 in Sunday morning worship service. Our pastor is a devout, Godly man who preaches the Bible unapologetically.
With all that said, though, I must say that we--and that certainly includes ME--Southern Baptists have our own problems. I think we too get far too wrapped up in the comfort and convenience and the entertainment aspect. I think we far too often hole up in the sanctuary on Sunday, get our own spiritual batteries recharged, take comfort in feeling like we have at least one place of sanity left. There's nothing wrong with any of that, provided it doesn't become primary and provided it doesn't hamper our taking the truth OUT of the church. I personally need to do a much better job of that.
As for our country, it breaks my heart. Lib, in your original post, you asked what we saw coming in ten years, in twenty years, etc. Provided the Lord doesn't return by then, and provided there hasn't been cataclysmic judgment or war, here's a snapshot of where I think this country will be in twenty years:
- Homosexuality will be rampant. What we see in Disney World today will be commonplace on the vast majority of American streets. Gay "marriage" will be legal in around 75% of the states, and gays will be as protected as racial minorities are today.
- Christians will be a TINY minority, almost universally scorned by the rest of society, branded as haters. ALL traces of Christianity will be banned from the public arena.
- "Hate" will be a HUGE buzzword of a label that will be slapped on anyone who dares to criticize any kind of behavior as wrong.
- Pedophilia and incest will be far more accepted than Christianity.
- The United States will be wholly subject to world courts and governing bodies, its sovereignty diminished by staggering proportions. We will be participating in international tax schemes.
- We will no longer be able to legally purchase firearms, and the murmurs about collecting existing guns from citizens will be rumbling loudly.
- Network television will regularly feature nudity and sexual content that would warrant an "R" rating today.
- Abortion will be not only legal, but government funded on a regular basis.
- Tobacco will be illegal.
- Lawsuits against restaurant chains for making people fat, the kinds of lawsuits that are just now getting started, will have been at least as successful as tobacco lawsuits have at this point.
- Conservatives will still be talking about the next election as if it's gonna make a hill of beans difference, still unaware that they have played the part of frogs in boiling water for decades. Many things we consider liberal today will be so commonplace that they will be the status quo that conservatives will be trying to protect.
MM
To: sweetliberty
To: Jhoffa_
A good 30 footer can cross oceans as well.
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posted on
07/01/2003 12:55:48 AM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: sweetliberty; Chancellor Palpatine
I suppose listening to one too many liberals talk s**t and seeing these degenerate faggots parading around the streets of every city in America celebrating yet another victory over the Constitution *** The Supreme Court UPHELD The Constitution. ***
You Fundie dorks really need to get a grip.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
We're taxed at over 50%. We have gestapo invasions of our homes on gun and drug raids. We have anal probing exams over our finances. Rampant socialism. We have 1 Billion Muslims who want us all dead.
Yet all of a sudden you want to revolt because two gay men finally get equal protection of the laws for something they do in their own homes???
Sickening. Twisted and sickening.
To: Ferret Fawcet
The gov't has all the high-tech weapons and gizmos- the citizens would be out-gunned. You break their will to use them. And they can't use WMD on population centers. Not all will join them, etc.
It's merely a tactical question.
It is not possible for them to hold such a large territory if a significant number of Americans were to initate armed rebellion, and choose their targets correctly.
But talking about this over a court ruling that upholds the Constitution is extremely stupid.
I merely replied to the idea that you cannot fight and win. Nonsense. It's always possible to win, no matter how unlikely.
To: Pan_Yans Wife
You have a point. If we don't revolt, we have no other nation to move to. Utopia does not exist. And, if America is the best nation on the planet, then no American would wish to move to another nation. The Second Coming may be the only answer. Colonization (Moon, Mars, etc) is an answer. But the Government already knows what will happen once colonization starts (see 1776) - therefore they are closing this avenue of escape.
The evil is quite deep, and intelligent.
To: sweetliberty
Atlas Shrugged is our example.
Conservatives don't overthrow govenments, they ignore them until they choke themselves to death.
California is now in its death throes and will be the first to go.
BUMP
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posted on
07/01/2003 3:01:24 AM PDT
by
tm22721
(May the UN rest in peace)
To: Tench_Coxe
When all else fails, shrug. Nothing like a nationwide general strike to grind things to a halt. Over gay sex?
Why not gun control, the IRS, taxation, rampant socialism?
I just don't get it. There's 50,000 more important things to revolt over than two men having sex.
They don't care about anything that is actually important - you sure you want to encourage them? I doubt I'd want to see the goverment formed afterwards.
To: DAnconia55; tpaine
I have now seen everything.
I'm discouraging people who want to replace the current system and order of things.
To: sweetliberty
That puts us between a rock and a hard place when the laws of the land begin to make it impossible to obey God Why do you lie?
You don't mean THIS at all :
That puts us between a rock and a hard place when the laws of the land begin to make it impossible to obey God
THIS is what you actually mean :
That puts us between a rock and a hard place when the laws of the land begin to make it impossible to FORCE OTHER PEOPLE TO obey God.
To: IYAAYAS
You still can demand a warrant before your house is searched Bwhahahahahahahah! What rock have you been living under?
To: IYAAYAS
You still can buy a very nice AR15 and 1000 rounds of ammo. Yeah but you'd better keep that auto sear in a very hidden place.
BUMP
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posted on
07/01/2003 3:11:02 AM PDT
by
tm22721
(May the UN rest in peace)
To: Cultural Jihad
Those who subscribe to Che Guevara's awkward dictum that it is 'too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the bastards' are the hopeless and helpless ones You, of course, realize that this exactly described our forefathers in the period leading up to 1776?
Save the propaganda for a while.
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