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To: Sabertooth
An amendment such as this - which limits rather than expands freedoms and is nearly assured of repeal at some future date - is the very epitome of mob rule. It is driven by nothing more than visceral fear & hatred transparently guised as some high-minded ideal. Period.

If you don't believe me, check back in 40 years... Better yet, go poll a group of your average 15-30 year olds on this issue. They are the future and they will likely tell you what they think about this..
152 posted on 06/30/2003 4:32:49 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
Ever hear anybody complaining about the framers and ratifiers of the 11th Amendment? That amendment merely codified most people's understanding of the law of sovereign immunity, which the Supreme Court for some reason got wrong. Is this any different?
156 posted on 06/30/2003 4:36:18 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: AntiGuv
An amendment such as this - which limits rather than expands freedoms and is nearly assured of repeal at some future date - is the very epitome of mob rule. It is driven by nothing more than visceral fear & hatred transparently guised as some high-minded ideal. Period.

But what is the alternative to stopping a special interest coup by judicial loophole activism? Is not forcing MA or VT morality on all 50 states and ignoring the ballot box an infringement and an injustice? How do you propose preventing such a clear bypassing of the intent of the Founding Fathers?

161 posted on 06/30/2003 4:41:28 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: AntiGuv
An amendment such as this - which limits rather than expands freedoms and is nearly assured of repeal at some future date - is the very epitome of mob rule. It is driven by nothing more than visceral fear & hatred transparently guised as some high-minded ideal. Period.

Wrong, this Amendment limits the power of the SCOTUS to overturn millenia of human history through specious legal reasoning and penchants for social engineering. No freedom is being limited, because the "freedoms" in question are non-existent. There is no same-sex marriage or polygamy in America.

Further, the Amendment guarantees that the individual states have authority over civil unions, etc. , that can't be overruled by the federal government. This is primarily an Amendment limiting federal power, and acknowledging the authority of the states.

Referring to the effort to ratify an Amendment you don't like as "mob rule" is as off the mark as calling it a "Martian Invasion." It's patently false. It's like when Catherine McKinnon refers to all sex with men as "rape," and language loses all meaning.

Make your case, by all means, but stay out of the Orwellian ditch.


166 posted on 06/30/2003 4:50:13 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: AntiGuv
I was thinking about amendments on the way home, and realized that this one would stand alone in that it restricts rather than expands individual freedom.

In that category, it stands with only one other - Prohibition.

What a success that one was.

168 posted on 06/30/2003 4:50:32 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (yes, that was my post that was deleted - I guess its OK to put up Fred Phelps queer bashes, though)
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To: AntiGuv
I'm a 29 year old registered Independent and I'm FOR the ammendment. So is my Independent 30 yr old husband.

One of the backlashes of the Cultural Revolution is a younger generation that is tired of hearing the hippy/yippy whine.
485 posted on 07/01/2003 6:23:31 PM PDT by kuma
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