Maybe We Should Kill More of Them

boblonsberry.com ^ | 6/30/03 | Bob Lonsberry

[Protagoras]

All Bath Party members should be rounded up and unceremoniously executed.

You are a scary poster.

[Darksheare]

No, I'm a scary poster.
I was once an artillery type.
I honestly think that we should nail these guys.
Especially if GOLD BARS have been found in their residences.
Saddam raided the treasury before absconding.
He raided gold bars from said treasyury, and a full accounting of how much is missing still has not com eout.
And probably never will.
Saddam has been paying he rent-a-insurgents with gold bars.
Now gee, possession of gold bars would be a sure sign of what now?
That's not exactly something that the supposedly poor women and children of Iraq would have.

So.. you artillery flatten their place and move to the next terrorist.
Problem solved, no-one will want to be payed by Sadman after awhile.
It'd be too costly for them.

[palmer]

I didn't say kill civilians. I said their families. Difference between random civilians and getting personnal. As I have said, and I will say it again. Carpet bombing works. It has worked in the past. It would work again. It never stopped working...we just changed tactics. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Carpet bombing kills civilians. It didn't do much of anything in the past, wars are won by holding territory.

[Protagoras]

I wasn't talking to you and you aren't talking about the same thing as the other poster. But you are right, we should kill the enemy. Only the enemy, anyone else killed on purpose to "set an example" would be just like what the Nazis did. And that is scary. Like the author of this nonsense piece and the other poster.

[Darksheare]

True enough.
But that's still scary to some.

[HardStarboard]

>>>Yes, that strategy is working so well for the Russians in Chechnya <<<

My guess is that our problem in Iraq is very similar to Russia's problem in Chechnya - - - Wabbahism! These Muslim extremists are coming out of Saudi, funded by Saudi money and their purpose in life is to kill the infidel.

Add the Wabbahis to the Bathhists and the Shia provocateurs from Iran....and you got a reciepe for chaos.

I think we may have to turn the Kurds loose.....but thats got its own set of problems. The only solution may be to let a civil war happen, and quietly back the good (better?) guys. Then we won't get blamed (as blamed?) for the fallout. Then we don't

[Protagoras]

True enough. But that's still scary to some.

Not to me. What scares me is "conservatives" acting like fascists, and not being called on it because of "patriotism".

[Darksheare]

Did you also catch that the insurgents are being paid with gold bars among other things?
That steams my shorts.
Especially with the UN's BS statement recently that there are no viable links between Iraq and terrorists, let alone Iraq and Al-Qeada.

[mark502inf]

Deliberately killing civilians is murder. In a war-zone or out of it.

We will win in Iraq by following two tracks. The first is to relentlessly track down and kill or capture every Arab-volunteer, every Baathist hold-out, or anyone else that fights against us. The second track is to build back up the fundamentals of Iraqi society--a safe & secure environment, functioning infrastructure, representative government, and get their oil exports going to crank up their economy. The two track support each other.

I'm glad a lot of you guys advocating killing "families" & civilians aren't in charge--first, you'd go to jail and second, you'd get a lot of good American soldiers killed as they deal with the fall-out of such idiotic decisions.

[Protagoras]

The link between Al-Queda and Iraq is so flimsy it's a joke.

Saddam was terrorizing people for decades, mostly his own. But never had a problem using the money he stole to foment trouble anywhere he could. Which so far is no credible proof whatsoever of links to the attack on the US.

If you have some proof of a definite strategic partnership between the two, you are a first. Our own government hasn't been able to.

[Darksheare]

He hired teh insurgents using gold raided from his own country.
He bought and paid for them from Syria and other surrounding areas.

I'm surprised that no-one has caught that several insurgents have been cught with gold bars during our raids.

[mark502inf]

Not to me. What scares me is "conservatives" acting like fascists, and not being called on it because of "patriotism".

Exactly. Although more like communists than fascists. In any event I was amazed at those advocating immoral, illegal conduct that is also ultimately stupid. The blowback from such conduct will hurt us more than anythig we could ever gain.

[palmer]

Deliberately killing civilians is murder

I was just pointing out that carpet bombing kills civilians to the guy who advocated carpet bombing. Whether killing them is good or bad depends on the context and in this case you are right it would be the wrong thing to do.

[1Old Pro]

Well, it might feel good to say such things, but in the end, war is more complex than just killing people.

I agree. I'd rather leave the mop-up to the thousands of specialists woring on tactics than a talk show host. No offense to Lonsberry, and I share his frustrations, but let's give this a little time before we start criticizing.

[commonerX]

That scares me too. A Patriot is not, someone who keeps thier mouth shut because they think thier point isn't popular or might be criticized.

[Protagoras]

That scares me too. A Patriot is not, someone who keeps thier mouth shut because they think thier point isn't popular or might be criticized.

I guess I must be a patriot then because it seems that lately almost every position I hold is at odds with the many of the "conservatives" on this forum. And I've never been shy about taking the opposite side of the popular opinions when my principles were being trashed.

[af_vet_rr]

agreed, it's like one week we were threatening them and Saddam was in power, next week we are in Baghdad and no Saddam. Other than a lot of rubble, they have no sense of truly being defeated.

[mark502inf]

If you have some proof of a definite strategic partnership between the two[Al Qaeda & Iraq], you are a first. Our own government hasn't been able to.

There are well known links & indicators of some type of collaboration between Iraq & Al Qaeda, but the justification for the attack on Iraq was not hung on Al Qaeda, but on the nexus between Hussein's WMD programs, his hostility to the US, his unpredictability and willingness to use force (including WMD) in the past, and his unquestionable cooperation with terrorism in the past.

[Protagoras]

There are well known links & indicators of some type of collaboration between Iraq & Al Qaeda,

A non-answer.

but on the nexus between Hussein's WMD programs,

The ones which have yet to be found? Those weapons?

his hostility to the US,

Most of the world is hostile to us, shall we attack them all?

his unpredictability and willingness to use force (including WMD) in the past,

He was entirely predictable.

and his unquestionable cooperation with terrorism in the past.

Which terrorism? Proof of terrorism against us please.

[MissAmericanPie]

Your easy to scare. I consider 66 dead American soldiers due to snipers and terrorist type attacks post victory scary.