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To: betty boop
Agreed, bb.

Also, is the principle that Lincoln derived from Scritpure, that a man does not have the right to do what is wrong.
400 posted on 06/30/2003 12:28:21 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: betty boop
And reason tells us that any law is essentially and operationally a moral statement: "This is good to do." "That is not good to do."

That is a matter of behavior, however, not of enforcing belief.

"He who governs best, governs least," but least meaning do not legislate where there is no interest for the protection and preservation of our lives or our free society.
401 posted on 06/30/2003 12:33:07 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: unspun; DAnconia55
Also, is the principle that Lincoln derived from Scritpure, that a man does not have the right to do what is wrong.

True, unspun. Then again, no man can be the "conscience" of another....

There are lots of things that happen in our society that don't exactly make me jump up and down for joy. You mentioned legalized gambling. I think it hurts people, especially people in the working class who have to make ends meet from slender paychecks. These people can't afford to be gambling away their children's food and clothing, etc.; but they are disproportionately the majority of legal gamblers.

The majority of the people in my state -- Massachusetts -- want to have legalized gambling: the lottery, scratch tickets, dogs and horses, and so forth. Some even want casino gambling, which, given our present governor, is probably going to be a "hard-sell."

The point is, I have to accept this with good grace. I can try to change the status quo via grass-roots activities in the local communities; but failing that, it's the law in my state. The politicians love the vast revenue stream....

Morality either comes "from the bottom up," or it doesn't happen. The state has no means to impose it from on high and, in the case of legalized gambling, zero incentive to do so anyway. It would be illegitimate for it to try.... (On the Caesar/God paradigm alluded to earlier.)

Perhaps the only way out of a situation like this would be for people to be better educated so they would know where their best interests lie. That's not a process that can happen overnight.

A minimalist government (i.e., a legitimate, just one) can really hold a man responsible for "doing wrong" only to the extent that his wrong-doing can be shown to be injurious of the life, liberty, and property of another person. Absent that, the Constitution doesn't give the courts all that much to do.

405 posted on 06/30/2003 1:00:17 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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