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Windshield Verdict
WBAP ^ | 6/28/03 | Self

Posted on 06/26/2003 9:47:51 AM PDT by Young Werther

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To: hispanarepublicana
"When I was on a jury once, (in Texas), we started out by taking a poll on verdict, and we only planned to review the facts IF the verdict wasn't unanimous....."

That's scary. I've been on three juries, all of which came to their decision after discussing and weighing the evidence. You'd be surprised how minds can change when evidence is carefully reviewed. One of the trials I was on went from 11-1 to acquit to 12-0 to convict. Another of the trials I was on included jurors who lied in the selection process. This deceit came out in the deliberations. "No, I've never been convicted of driving while intoxicated, your honor"..."Let's acquit him. This could have happened to any of us, it happened to me." Please reconsider this notion.
281 posted on 06/26/2003 9:32:13 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: cherry
Panic? While she went back into the house to have sex with her boyfriend? Your're kidding, right?
282 posted on 06/26/2003 10:49:51 PM PDT by Libertina (FR - roaches check in, but they don't check out....)
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To: ntnychik
If all on the jury thought guilty..Why go over the evidence except as a way to come to a decision?This was a nightmare case for a defense lawyer.There was no defense!The important elements of the case were not disputed.He could have survived with prompt (first hour)attention to his blood loss.
283 posted on 06/27/2003 4:37:47 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: null and void; OldFriend

I bet your Governor isn't trying to bleed your entire state white to cover his own incompetence/malfeasance.

It's much more offensive than the cartoon

Perhaps....however... I was in a car accident where the driver was killed. A few years later my first husband was killed in a car accident.

You have your reasons. I have mine.

I certainly didn't agree with that statement to start anything.

284 posted on 06/27/2003 5:25:21 AM PDT by lysie
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To: al_c
In Texas persons persons sent to prison serve 1/12th of the time. Thus 1 year for every 12 sentenced. In instruction to the jury the judge has to tell them that they can not try to figure the actual time a convicted person will serve. I see juries give 10 and 20 year sentances all the time not to realize the crook will be out in a year or so.
285 posted on 06/27/2003 5:45:15 AM PDT by Dave278 ("Don't you point your finger at me!!!")
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To: MEG33
Important question---what color will Mallard wear today? A soft pink, perhaps? Baby blue? Didn't her mother teach her anything? Pearls are for evening wear...
286 posted on 06/27/2003 5:59:41 AM PDT by NautiNurse (If Lawton Chiles runs for the Senate seat in 2004, we will **really** have Jurassic Park in Florida)
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To: NautiNurse
I might suggest white for innocence and a small cross necklace.
287 posted on 06/27/2003 6:05:17 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: ntnychik
Look, there simply wasn't much of anything TO debate in the guilt phase. Reviewing the facts "carefully" enough to suit you is not going to change the basic facts.

Both sides seem to have saved quite a bit to present in the penalty phase. The jurors are going to have to discuss aggravating and mitigating factors now, which will probably take a bit more time. It's still not going to take long, IMO. The defense was stupid to put their client on the stand, she made herself look even worse.
288 posted on 06/27/2003 6:44:45 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: MEG33
Oooh! White is a good idea! On the other hand--black for mourning her self indulgent losses may be the way to go.
289 posted on 06/27/2003 6:51:23 AM PDT by NautiNurse (If Lawton Chiles runs for the Senate seat in 2004, we will **really** have Jurassic Park in Florida)
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To: NautiNurse
The decisions!
290 posted on 06/27/2003 6:54:53 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Dusty periwinkle suit, gray blouse.
291 posted on 06/27/2003 7:19:22 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
No one ever listens to me!
292 posted on 06/27/2003 7:22:40 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33; hellinahandcart; hispanarepublicana
My response to hispanarepublicana was based on my belief in the responsibility of jurors in general. In retrospect, commenting in the middle of a thread about one of the most horrible crimes I can think of was not a prudent place to get philosophical. The time taken in the "windshield case" was long enough to have allowed for deliberation, and I applaud the verdict. Ms. Mallard, at minimum, should have as much solitary time in prison to think about what she did as the potential time she took away from her victim's life.

The three juries I was on resulted in conviction. If we had gone with the instant mood when "deliberation" began, three guilty parties would have walked. If for no other reason, deliberation is important so you don't hand the defense an appeal issue.
293 posted on 06/27/2003 7:51:06 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: lysie
You have your reasons. I have mine.

So true! I've bandaged a lot of heads and been in my share of accidents. Mercifully, I've never had anyone die on me. I can see that would color one's view. I'm sorry tragedy has struck so close to you. God bless...

294 posted on 06/27/2003 8:01:30 AM PDT by null and void
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To: ntnychik
I don't think anyone would disagree that review of evidence is most important.Some trials are long and complicated and I've seen juries take a week to deliberate!
295 posted on 06/27/2003 8:04:47 AM PDT by MEG33
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