[Travis McGee]

Don't mistake these people for Arabs. If you wish to discuss civilizations, I think Persia comes out rather well.

[hauerf]

You've seen one whacked out fundamentalist Muslim, you've seen them all. Okay, perhaps that's too much of a generalization. However, since the educated, Westernized element bailed out of Iran in big numbers with the fall of the Shah, I believe the supposed Persian civilization has taken a really huge hit.