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Tailgunner Joe--Where Have You Gone, Joe McCarthy?
various FR links | 06-26--03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 06/26/2003 2:47:36 AM PDT by backhoe

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To: backhoe
I think he's here in spirit!


21 posted on 06/27/2003 3:10:41 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: RaceBannon
The biggest spy in the FDR household was Harry Hopkins, aside from Elinor of course. The Russians have done everything but admit Hopkins was a spy.

Hopkins and Alger Hisses wife were close in NYC and she baptised Hiss into the commie movement.

22 posted on 06/27/2003 3:32:46 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: backhoe
Ooops! Cut 'n paste went awry due to local page reference. I'll try again:

Oppie Was A Commie
Accuracy In Media ^ | June 27, 2003 | Notra Trulock

23 posted on 06/27/2003 3:35:35 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: rockfish59
Graphic appreciated...
24 posted on 06/27/2003 4:47:13 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: Stultis
The sealed transcripts have several books in them. Testimony of Korean War POWs, an odd case of goose down feathers purchased without a competitive bid from Communist China, the incredible lawyering up of witnesses (who paid for that?), 400 homosexuals fired from the State Department as security risks (many of whom found better jobs in France), the testimony of Helen B. Balog, a CPUSA contract on McCarthy, a CIA boss musing McCarthy might have to be "taken care of, Ike's refusal to allow the Army to testify on Soviet infiltration at the Ft. Monmouth radar lab and on and on.
25 posted on 06/28/2003 2:53:56 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: backhoe
A couple more links:

Two Cheers for "McCarthyism"? (Goldberg, NRO, good article, but actually about Patriot Act)

Hollywood's Missing Movies - Why American films have ignored life under communism (Excellent, excellent, must read. Lots of history on hollywood commies, and the thesis asks an important question)

26 posted on 07/02/2003 1:30:02 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Thanks!
27 posted on 07/02/2003 1:32:08 PM PDT by backhoe (Recall Them All!!!)
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To: backhoe
And at the following link you can read a free chapter (actually the introduction, partially excerpted below) of Arthur Herman's biography of McCarthy.

http://www.blueskypie.com/nonfictionbycategory/history/historynonfxnbooks/josephmccarthy.asp

Joseph McCarthy -Reexamining The Life And Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator by Arthur Herman (ISBN: 0684836254)

...In retrospect, McCarthy's disgrace and obloquy has come at a certain price to historical truth. He has become so taboo a figure, someone presented only in Rovere-style caricature rather than flesh and blood, that confusion and ignorance about what he did and the times in which he operated are widespread. Books like David Caute's The Great Fear, which implicitly compared the anti-Communist crusade of the fifties to Stalin's Great Terror, or Ellen Schrecker's Many Are the Crimes: McCarthyism in America, can portray the entire period in the most terrifyingly nightmarish colors, and be believed. So part of dispelling the myths about Joe McCarthy has to include dispelling the myths about the 1950s and the so-called red scare.

We need to remember that during the entire period, from 1947 to 1958, no American citizens were interrogated without benefit of legal counsel, none was arrested or detained without due judicial process, and no one went to jail without trial. As George Kennan, no admirer of the investigations, stated, "Whoever could get his case before a court was generally assured of meeting there with a level of justice no smaller than at any time in recent American history." All through the "worst" of the McCarthy period, the Communist Party itself was never outlawed, membership in the party was never declared a crime, and it continued to maintain public offices, publish books and the Daily Worker, and recruit new members (admittedly a tough sell by then).

In fact, most of what people ordinarily mean when they talk about the "red scare" -- the House Un-American Activities Committee; anti-Communist probes into Hollywood, labor unions, and America's schools and universities; the Rosenberg trial; blacklisting in the media and schoolteachers fired for disloyalty -- had nothing to do with McCarthy and he had nothing to do with them (although when asked, he generally approved of them, as most other Americans did). McCarthy's own committee in the Senate, the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which he chaired for less than two years, had a specific duty to investigate communism in the federal government and among government employees. It had done so before he became chairman, and it did so after he left, under Senator John McClellan and Bobby Kennedy. The men and women McCarthy targeted, rightly or wrongly, as Communists or Communist sympathizers all shared that single characteristic: they were federal employees and public servants, and therefore, McCarthy and his supporters argued, they ought be held accountable to a higher standard than other American citizens.

That fact tends to get lost when historians dwell exclusively on the stories of harassment, professional disgrace, and other indignities suffered as a result of McCarthy's and other anti-Communist investigations. Dalton Trumbo, Dashiell Hammett, Howard Fast, Paul Robeson, Steve Nelson, Frances Farmer, and Lillian Hellman appear in standard treatments of the period in the same way in which the names of martyrs grace the pages of histories of the early church. Their personal ordeals are constantly presented as proof that America in those days must have been in the grip of an anti-Communist hysteria and a "witch-hunt." (In order not to be left out, Hellman told her own tale of woe in a short book of breathtaking dishonesty, entitled Scoundrel Time.) The best and most generous estimate is that during the entire decade of the red scare, ten thousand Americans lost their jobs because of their past or present affiliation with the Communist Party or one of its auxiliary organizations. Of those who lost their jobs, two thousand worked in the government, and in perhaps forty cases McCarthy himself was directly or indirectly responsible for their being fired. In only one case -- that of Owen Lattimore -- can anyone make the argument that McCarthy's allegations led to any actual legal proceedings, and there a judge eventually threw out most of the indictment. Paradoxically, the fact that McCarthy never sent anyone to prison is also turned against him; opponents claimed that during his entire career, he never actually exposed a single spy or Communist -- a claim that is manifestly untrue, as we will see...


28 posted on 07/02/2003 1:51:45 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: backhoe
Joe was right.
29 posted on 07/02/2003 2:30:16 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: backhoe
Hi, Race- she is a pretty woman, isn't she?

Actually, I never thought she was. Kinda skinny and anorexic looking actually.

30 posted on 07/02/2003 2:32:46 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: husky ed
Joe was right.

Absolutely!

31 posted on 07/02/2003 2:49:16 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Going beyond McCarthy himself with this link, to include "McCarthyism" ("liberally" defined):

What Red Scare? HUAC And Venona ^
      Posted by Radioheart
On 08/29/2001 9:28 AM CDT with 11 comments


FrontPageMag.com ^ | August 29, 2001 | Ronald Radosh
What Red Scare? HUAC And Venona By Ronald Radosh In the past two weeks, much has been made of the announcement that the US National Archives has released 600 boxes of previously sealed records from the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Actually, only one box has been released so far. continue…

32 posted on 07/02/2003 2:50:22 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Joe Hadenuf
[Coulter is] Kinda skinny and anorexic looking actually.

I tend to agree, but nevertheless I can't help noticing, in that profile shot, that she's not skinny everywhere.

33 posted on 07/02/2003 2:52:34 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Well, tastes in women vary- I lean toward the Valkyrie-like, myself. Ann's a little scrawny, but she has a pretty face. Truth be told, it's what is between the ears that count, rather than the outside packaging.
34 posted on 07/02/2003 2:52:55 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Stultis
Them are fake, given her overall skinniness.
35 posted on 07/02/2003 2:54:11 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...girls with good bodies like boys with Ferraris...girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money)
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To: Stultis
All right! Thanks!
36 posted on 07/02/2003 2:54:47 PM PDT by backhoe (Joe McCarthy was more correct than anyone knew--)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Unfortunately, time will cure her skinnyness. She has beautiful hair and eyes, though.
37 posted on 07/02/2003 3:00:34 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Them are fake

"Ruh-roh!" Here, you might be needing this...


38 posted on 07/02/2003 3:01:39 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Here - I'll pour it on, LOL. She needs to order something from the dessert cart now and then.
39 posted on 07/02/2003 3:08:38 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...girls with good bodies like boys with Ferraris...girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money)
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To: backhoe
And I actually agree with that.
40 posted on 07/02/2003 5:29:07 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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