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I could give you drama about my own Catholic experience. But let's look at the facts. Italy and France. Try those five words there. Will they work? Heck, you're online. Give it a try right now. Good luck. They are dominantly Catholic. You don't stand a chance. In fact, their Catholic faith, it would appear, is driving them away from God. Look at the stats. It appears obvious to me, especially in Italy, the seat of the Vatican. Being close to the Pope hurts their faith, although this Pope is a good man, noted. FReegards....

France has been more or less radically secularised since 1870, when France lost the Franco-Prussian war and Napolean III had to abdicate, and even then, since the French revelution of 1789, the French state and the church have been at odds, and the culture for more than 200 years has been on the path of secularisation.

One reason why Hispanics in the US have been so Democratic/Liberals on many issues is because of the Bishops appointed by Pope Pauil VI under papal Nuncio Abp Jean Jadot were ultra liberal, they are more liberal/secular humanist than Catholic, they hated tradition, they hated Westeren Civilisation. Some of his handywork, such as Cardinal Mahony of LA and Abp Flores of San Antonio, both who have pushed liberalism far more than church teaching, have had a impact, sadly, on the Hispanic vote. Liberation Theology, a theology that caused many Latin Americans to adopt Socilism, and despise anything that was European based, ironically was based off European Secular Humanism, and pushed by Jesuits who largely were born in Europe.

But the day of liberals, even moderates within the Catholic church is coming to a close. Simpily put, the progressive have produced very little in the way of vocations, and the well is running dry. The church is rightfully putting moral issues like abortion, and homosexuality on the front burner again, while finally letting the socialist, anti Westeren Civilisation trash to rot. This change will not happen overnight, the restoration if you will, but it is happening. What is ironic is in the US, the ones who push the liberal, anti Westeren Civilisation trash within the church are almost all white.