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To: Junior
I am not really an expert on Cosmology, but I suspect that the author of this article isn't one either. Let me state a why I think this is bogus (and why Scientific American should know better):

Most mainstream Physicists believe in the Big Bang. The Big Bang theory stipulates that at the beginning the volume of the universe was zero. After that, it expanded (extremely rapidly) and continues to do so, such that the total volume of the universe grew and continues to grow at a high but finite rate. If you start with something finite (zero) and over a finite period of time add finite quantities to it, you end up with something finite. My Point? The universe is just big, not infinite. Something around 5*10^9 to 20*10^9 light years across. Big yes, but 10^10^28 light years? Give me a break!

I suppose poeple do enjoy reading an article like this, but I thought Scientific American tries to be scientific.
37 posted on 06/25/2003 9:18:09 AM PDT by thirdheavenward
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To: thirdheavenward; Physicist
As Physicist pointed out earlier, the universe is essentially flat, which means the scenario posited in this article is possible. He does a whole lot better at explaining it than I can ever hope to do.
42 posted on 06/25/2003 9:35:51 AM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: thirdheavenward
"Something around 5*10^9 to 20*10^9 light years across. Big yes, but 10^10^28 light years? Give me a break!"

I believe the author said meters not light years. Your point is still valid, that the universe is NOT infinite (if Big Bang is true). But the author also says "...infinite or sufficiently big

Still fun to ponder either way

43 posted on 06/25/2003 9:36:16 AM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: thirdheavenward
I am not really an expert on Cosmology, but I suspect that the author of this article isn't one either.

As a matter of fact, he's one of the premier experts on cosmology in the world (and a colleague of mine here at Penn). When it comes to testing cosmological models against hard observational data, there's none better.

The Big Bang theory stipulates that at the beginning the volume of the universe was zero. After that, it expanded (extremely rapidly) and continues to do so, such that the total volume of the universe grew and continues to grow at a high but finite rate.

That refers to our horizon, but not to the whole. In the standard Friedmann cosmology, the volume of the universe can be represented as the "surface" of a 4-dimensional hypersphere. We have a finite horizon, or "Hubble volume"--the volume of the universe that is receding from us at a velocity less than the velocity of light--but the whole is (in principle) finite, too: it eventually curves back upon itself.

[Geek alert: read carefully what I said. In any cosmological model, there will be parts of the universe that are receding faster than light. This does not violate special relativity, because these regions are out of causal contact with us.]

The question remains: what is the radius of that hypersphere? It could be anything, according to Friedmann; it's just something you have to measure. On Earth, for example, you can measure the radius of the Earth simply by noting that an equilateral triangle, 10 million meters on each side, will have interior angles of 90 degrees each, rather than the 60 degrees of a small equilateral triangle.

We now (as of 4 months ago) have a similar measure for the largest possible triangles that can be drawn in our Hubble volume. No matter how big, the interior angles sum to 180 degrees. This corresponds to a hypersphere of infinite radius; in other words, the universe is flat.

This agrees with the theoretical prediction of Inflationary Cosmology.

[Geek alert: the curvature could also have been negative, in which case the universe would have a hyperbolic shape, rather than a hyperspherical shape.]

62 posted on 06/25/2003 10:43:40 AM PDT by Physicist
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