Split Decision: Supreme court upholds grad policy, strikes Undergrad

MSNBC Live | 06-23-03

[Brian S]

Supreme Court rules in favor of U. of Michigan Admissions Policy

[aristeides]

If racial diversity is a compelling governmental interest, affirmative action can continue for as long as it is needed to achieve racial diversity. Which I take to mean forever.

[Howlin]

Some people will always be unhappy with Bush because he didn't slash and burn everything east of the Mississippi the day he took office.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Without having read the findings, I see that the SCOTUS are saying that the State University of Michigan can act in what it believes to be in the best interest of the citizens of the State when setting admission standards, and that if they feel that race needs to be considered, they have a right to do so, as long as they do not give one race an unfair advantage over another race via a system such as awarding points on an entrance exam because the individual taking the exam is of a particular race.

[arasina]

Yes, I'm certain.

God, please help me be courteous in my posts on FR today, particularly my replies to this...uh...okay, I won't say it.

[ken5050]

LOL..BTW have you every seen TLBSHOW and Rush together, in the same room, at the same time?

[deport]

Come on Show.... tell us how the President wimped out, is a UN Man, full of BS, and most importantly how this ruling was decided by the President..... I know your gift will show you the light......

MAY 2004..... TLBSHOW begins his support of President BUSH for reelection.....

Yep you flip and flop just like a Clinton... oh, that's right you do have one as your senator.....

[Reagan Man]

Thanks for posting that Luis. I wish Ronald Reagan was still able to speak out with his great wisdom and get people thinking once again. Guess we'll have to settle for his spoken word of record.

Some people, some conservatives, need to wake up and take off their blinders. They obviously don't realize how much of the real world they're missing.

In politics, getting your way 75% of the time, means your agenda is on the winning side most of the time and your opponent is on the losing side 75% of the time. This is real simple stuff. LOL

[Mo1]

I agree... shouldn't the decision be read fully, before we all start to claim that the sky is falling?

Sounds like a plan to me

[Windsong]

You are aware that this is a CONSERVATIVE forum, right?

[aristeides]

I'd say rather that it's a tiny step sideways. The SC has been saying that for decades, so reiterating it can't be going "backwards".

Until today, the SC has never said that. It only appeared in a part of Justice Powell's opinion in Bakke where he was speaking for himself alone, not for the court.

[CounterCounterCulture]

The court divided in both cases. It upheld the law school program that sought a "critical mass" of minorities by a 5-4 vote, with Justice Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites) siding with the court's more liberal justices to decide the case.

Too bad O'Connor wasn't passed over in favor of an "underprivileged minority". Double for Souter. 100-fold for Ginsburg.

[arasina]

Point system unconstitutional!

THAT should be the headline and focus, indeed!

[Snerfling]

Which I take to mean forever.

Egg-zackly. Race has been an issue in the Americas since 1492 and will continue to be so in 2492. Since's it's a constant, one needn't get overly exercised unless there's a significant deviation from the mean.

[sweetliberty]

"We simply must throw out some democrat senators."

Lately I am taken with a new fantasy. The Boston Tea Party had citizens throwing tea into the sea. I have visions of the people throwing RAT legislators into the sea. They are anathema to the principles of freedom.

Yes, I know it's extreme, but it IS a fantasy after all. Might as well dream big.

[xrp]

EXTREMIST LIBERTARIANS SAY: "ANARCHY RULES!"

Interesting quote there. Keep in mind that most Libertarians are not extremist, just as most Republicans are not fundamentalist Christians.

[TLBSHOW]

Again, are you sure?

[dennisw]

I agree. When is affirmative action supposed to end? Reality is it will never end because it's prime tool for the Democrats to gin up racial and ethnic resentments. And how the heck did immigrants get covered by affirmative action? It's an outrage for someone to move here and get put to the head of the hiring line or university admissions. Ahead of native born white Americans

[jackbill]

President Bush did not wimp out. The Solicitor General argued in opposition to both the law school and the undergrad admissions policies:

* Federal Brief: Grutter v. Bollinger

* Written by Ted Olson on behalf of the Bush Administration opposing the Law School's affirmative action guidelines
* Submitted January 16, 2003

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/grutter/grutterum11603brf.pdf

* Federal Brief: Gratz v. Bollinger

* Written by Ted Olson on behalf of the Bush Administration opposing the University of Michigan's undergraduate admissions guidelines
* Submitted January 16, 2003

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/gratz/gratzum11603brf.pdf

[aristeides]

I thought that opposing racial discrimination was perfectly compatible with conservatism.

[glennaro]

But the only way to know if "preferences" are working is with hard numbers, my friend: Quotas.