Sci Fi Channel puts its corporate muscle behind effort to investigate UFOs

Miami Herald ^ | Fri, Jun. 20, 2003 | David Bauder

[Quix]

CONTINUING THE BOB LAZAR INTERVIEW . . . Sci Fi Channel 1 JULY 2003

---

The big thing is whether or not we can duplicate.

If we understand how it's made--that's great.

But if we can't duplicate it--it's useless.

[my relative indicates we can duplicate them]

What would you do differently.

I probably would have played along for a longer time.

I would like to have know n a little bit more about the tech and possibly never have said anything. I almost wish
I had done that.

It's really only caused headaches and problems.

I think I'd pretty much have shut up.

Obviously I was not the most qualified person on propulsion. If they turned it over to the scientific community--you need a large group of people with a large lab--not a quiet little installation.

You can't have a military mind--science itself--you must communicate--you have to have a free exchange of ideas.

When you clamp down on a security system like that--isolate groups . . .

I'm not really involved in that kind of thing any more. I have my own businesses that I work at . . . computer graphics . . . radiaton detectors . . . so really I just go about my life . . . it's over . . . kind of hard to shake it loose .

The surveilance seems to have stopped. I've said everything I know--it's all over the place.

Did you have an interest in Sci Fi or UFO's as a child?
Not UFO's but Star Trek.

Reagan about outside planet threat speech.

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, THERE YOU HAVE IT.

HEADING TO BED.

WOULD LOVE TO READ COMMENTS TOMORROW.

Blessings,

[Quix]

Sorry.

Guess I did ASSUME the UFO ping list would want copies. Didn't need to ping every time. . . . not thinking sharply tonight. Will blame it on the toothache.

Sorry.

[potlatch]

No problem, Quix. Sorry about the toothache - nothing worse!!

[Quix]

THANKS. I really didn't think through the multiple pings thing.

Just wanted to do my duty and make sure all interested got each section.

DUH.

I'm taking my body to bed.

Thanks for your kindness.

[potlatch]

Nite, hope you have something for the pain!!

[dogbyte12]

The big problem I see is that the government has lied, or covered-up things they were doing and it has fallen into the UFO world. Top secret jets being tested were spotted by civilians and the military didn't want to admit things like the Aurora project, so it feeds into this whole thing.

Something seriously screwy happened at Roswell. You had the military announcing they found a UFO, then announcing a crap story. Then changing their story again later. Perhaps they were testing something in the area with new weapons, and they felt the need to obfuscate, but obfuscate they did.

Governments love to keep secrets. If there was something weird going on with the Air Force say, and the Army boys didn't know about it, thought it looked "alien" to them, but then were told to shut up, I could see how the lies and cover-ups occured.

What happens though, is that the government refuses to release their secrets. Any military project they were doing in 1947 is out, or failed, and can in no meaningful way hurt national security by being released today. But they don't. National Security by all nations sometimes means something embarassing that is covered up. No deep cabals of evil plotters, but bunglers who attach TOP SECRET to something, and let people go crazy with wild imaginations rather than reveal the truth.

We do need a reform. Anything non nuclear say, that is over 25 years old, should go before a closed session of an intelligence committee only if the spooks genuinely believe that sensitive secrets will still be revealed. Embarassment can not be used as a justification for keeping something private.

[auggy]

"If something isn't explained by current scientific knowledge it probably isn't true. Like ghosts, fairies and satanic possesion, many want to believe but the proof just isn't there."

That would depend on the individual person. There are things that happen that cannot logically be explained or proved, unless you are actually there to see or hear the event. In my lifetime, I have about 4 events that I have witnessed, but cannot prove. Only my word is all I have.

Do I believe in ghosts? I believe there are events which appear to be caused by an unseen,(usually), being. I definitely believe in demons, which could cause unexplained events. Thus, could be called ghosts by many.

Demons could also be mistaken for aliens. Not the illegal kind.

If, you are waiting for scientists to prove this kind of phenomenon, it will probably never happen.

[Sam Cree]

Hope you feel better. Thanks much for the play by play, it is fascinating. I don't have cable, so that's a great help.
That gravity stuff is weird, but seems to fit.

[Quix]

U R MOST WELCOME.

Advil helping the pain after pain waking me up again.

Much appreciate your understanding caring and your comment.

I agree. It fits enough, anyway.

[janetgreen]

Fascinating program last night. Lazar seems absolutely credible, and many of the videos I had never seen before were great. Four astronauts and millions of people have seen UFOs. Coverup by the government still goes on, why? I'm still wondering who really killed JFK, and with the sealed documents, I won't even be able to read about it in my lifetime.

[Quix]

I thought immediately on reading of Werner Von Braun's assertions that the 1970's planned war on terrorists, to be followed by the war on Iraq to be followed by the war against Space based ET's . . . .

that IF THAT WERE TRUE, as I believe it is . . .

THEN

we should see some incremental releases of information regarding UFO's etc. begin shortly after if not before the end of the IRAQ thing.

It appears that such has started.

It will be interesting to see how fast the pace will be. These first 3 shows seem to be a moderately rapid pace in terms of more revelations sooner than I might have expected. It will be interesting to review the pace of disclosures after 5-7 shows.

I was prepared to be very dismissive of Lazar given all the flack he's gotten. But I found him quite believable in the videos. He's certainly 500% more believable--and more--than the government and their stooges are.

Now how much he's spreading disinformation I wouldn't know. But I'd wager a goodly percentage of what he's said is at least solidly in the ball park of truth.

Thanks for your post.

[retrokitten]

Lazar seems absolutely credible, and many of the videos I had never seen before were great.

I didn't know there was a live thread for this last night :-(

I saw bits and pieces of the second show. I agree, there was a whole ton of pictures and videos that I had never seen before either. I thought I had seen every UFO show on cable at least twice! LOL!

[GOPJ]

bump

[janetgreen]

I thought that I had seen them all too! I'm looking forward to next week's offering.

I looked at your home page, and your "Big Girl" looks suspiciously like my big male "Elvis Aaron". :^))

[janetgreen]

Remember what Ronald Reagan said at the U.N.? I think maybe he was trying to tell us something without really saying it.

[Quix]

I hadn't realized until recently that he said that or similar things publically some 4-5 times.

I think he was saying as much as he could get away with in terms of the puppet masters--OR--he was reading the script they provided him. Not sure which.

My personal, perhaps wishful thinking preferred way of viewing him, is that he was saying all he could get away with and still live.

He supposedly also said to someone seated next to him in the WhiteHouse movie theater that that person and Reagan were some of the few in the theater who know how true CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE III KIND was.

Interesting times folks. And going to get more so!

[GOPJ]

Does Julian Barbour (The End of Time) believe time is a solid? It doesn't "move" it's just there? And what is "sonoluminescence"?

[GOPJ]

Does Julian Barbour (The End of Time) believe time is a solid? It doesn't "move" it's just there? And what is "sonoluminescence"?

[GOPJ]

Really? What?

Reagan had some sort of incident, did he not?

[retrokitten]

I looked at your home page, and your "Big Girl" looks suspiciously like my big male "Elvis Aaron".

LOL! She's not even that big (about 11-12 pounds). She's just bigger then the other cat so that's how she got that nickname. Does Elvis like peanut butter and banana cat food? LOL!