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To: Russell Scott; UnklGene
For years I've been wondering if chariot parts would be found at the bottom of the Red Sea. Solid clear cut evidence of one of the records in the Old Testament and of one of God's miracles.

The Bible has NEVER been proven wrong, so this is not surprising at all. What is surprisng is how man goes out of his way to try to avoid proving the absolute historical accuracy of it.

I thing your going to have to find better evidence than this:

"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."

For freaking crying out loud, these type of people continue to ignore the reality of evolution even with the gargantuan quantity of evidence supporting it. Then they claim as proof the unsubstantiated claims of a few divers.

14 posted on 06/21/2003 11:49:31 AM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: rmmcdaniell
For freaking crying out loud, these type of people continue to ignore the reality of evolution even with the gargantuan quantity of evidence supporting it. Then they claim as proof the unsubstantiated claims of a few divers.

Valid point -- if, that is, if -- they are the same people. Someone who is reasonably sceptical about "evolution" (and I would love to see a succinct, paragraph or less in length, disprovable theory specification for evolution) is going to sceptical about this as well.

18 posted on 06/21/2003 12:10:44 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: rmmcdaniell
Re: "...these type of people continue to ignore the reality of evolution even with the gargantuan quantity of
evidence supporting it."

What "gargantuan" evidence? Evolution is and always has been a theory. The only thing that would prove evolution made any difference is if someday it is proved that one species "jumped" to form another more advanced and different species. This hasn't happen and most likely never will. Evolution remains a series of changes to a species within the species.




20 posted on 06/21/2003 12:15:40 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth
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To: rmmcdaniell
Let me preface this with the admission that I seriously doubt that they will find chariot wheels, considering sediment and coral deposits over thousands of years, and the depths of the water on each side of the land bridge crossing the Gulf of Aqaba, also there is only limited TBN fame not the usual Scientific American type that would occur if some strange fossil was found, there is no reason why the "accredited" researchers would care to find any evidence of the Egyptian army. Be that as it may, the geography and the Biblical record do indicate that the Thomas Nelson maps are wrong. I have seen photos of Jabel el Lawz and it indeed has a scorched pinnacle on this tall mountain. There is also the famed rock that split and water flowed forth. It looks wierd because in the dry Saudi desert this tall split rock and the immediate area around it differs remarkably from all of the other rocks because it has rounded edges typically found in rocks on the bottom of fast moving streams.

Now for the Smackdown

A Swedish scientist who believes the Red Sea was split says while Humphreys is correct about the Aqaba crossing, there are no natural, scientific explanations for the parting miracle described in Scripture.

You are no different that the Swedish "scientist" in that your personal biases limit you from considering that a "miracle" is not a freak natural phenomina but is divine intervention in the natural order.

...these type of people continue to ignore the reality of evolution even with the gargantuan quantity of evidence supporting it.

This is an arrogant and insulting statement that is hurling elephants. Here you can't possibly accept anything that doesn't have a natural explanation, but you will instantly believe in matter out of nothing, a series of uncaused causes, impossible odds, information out of nothing, abiogenesis, and despite the "gargantuan quantity of evidence" there still is no "missing link", or the required "transitional fossils" for the support of macro-evolution. Why do you think many have abandoned Darwin to pick up on PE and other God hating theories?

If you hate the idea of God and you dislike Christians so much that you must insult them even on an interesting and objective article such as this, should we conclude that your faith in the god of Chance is harder for you to believe and you find solace in attacking random strangers to you who may be right?"

2 Peter 3:3-6 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished...

Here nearly two thousand years ago, a simple fisherman already predicted those who would scoff at Christians, believe in the unsubstantiated hypothesis of uniformitarianism, will deliberately exclude from any consideration Divine Intervention, and come up with bogus ideas of origins...

You may wish to believe the paid liars in the school house. But just because you are easily persuaded to believe the lie doesn't mean that others should be forced to be duped in the same dreck. Let them choose their own. The theory of evolution gave us eugenics a system of subjective morality that leans heavily towards destructive perversion, devaluing of life, and worship of self and the god of Materialism. Evolution gives license to communism and tyranny. Exactly what kind of evil comes forth from believing that an Egyptian chariot wheel may be in the Gulf of Aqaba?

26 posted on 06/21/2003 12:39:11 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose (Just don't leave any brass with your fingerprints on it behind, OK?)
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To: rmmcdaniell
the reality of evolution

I am simply unwilling to state my position on the Theory of Evolution. I just saw a thread the other day which brought out many opinions of several FReepers. It has pretty much all been said, but I do not recall anyone commenting in the fashion that you have here. The "reality of evolution" is a pretty bold remark. Can you demonstrate some examples of the reality of Evolution?

60 posted on 06/21/2003 4:54:41 PM PDT by Radix
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To: rmmcdaniell
If there were only a few things found and only a few divers, you would be right. But that just isn't the case. Whether it is the Exodus or something else, something happened.
74 posted on 06/21/2003 5:24:24 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rmmcdaniell
For freaking crying out loud, these type of people continue to ignore the reality of evolution even with the gargantuan quantity of evidence supporting it.

What evidence?

Even evolutionists agree that there is no evidence in the fossil record to support evolution. Rather it supports special creation.

100 posted on 06/21/2003 9:08:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: rmmcdaniell
Wellllllllllll if you consider the evidence for evolution to be

Gargantuan . . . that explains plenty about your screening for evidence skills and criteria.

Sigh.
105 posted on 06/21/2003 9:22:58 PM PDT by Quix
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