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Pharaoh's chariots found in the Red Sea? ( Holy Moses! )
World Net Daily ^ | June 21, 2003 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 06/21/2003 10:52:07 AM PDT by UnklGene

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To: Southack

"Evolution".

From the man who said, "History is bunk."

81 posted on 06/21/2003 5:43:38 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Radix
Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. That 1000 days is like one day could very well be figurative and has been used and twisted by many people.

Furthermore, look, the story of creation ALREADY HAPPENED. ALL DAYS ARE COMPLETED. EVERY SINGLE ONE. I COMPLETELY disagree with this stupid theory that somehow the world is 6,000 years old.

It is incredibly ignorant and without evidence.
82 posted on 06/21/2003 5:44:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: whereasandsoforth
lol

It's strange because I didn't even click on the post button twice. Usually, my double postings occur when the system is lagging and I get impatient.
83 posted on 06/21/2003 5:45:27 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Buggman
The traditional Mt. Sinai was so christened as the 10 Commandments mountain by Constantine. Critics have long cast doubt on the Exodus account because there has been no archeological evidence of the movement of so large a number of people through the Sinai area at the time the Bible claims the Exodus took place. I believe Wyatt did correctly find the real route of the Exodus because his route conforms to the biblical account. But so many of the Wyatt times always seem to over-reach, even deceive, to keep their audience enthralled and the money coming in. I have always doubted his story of the ark of the covenant. If it was truly located underneath the temple mount, and the word got out, the clamor from the most conservative and fanatical Jewish elements in Israel would be raising a ruckus to haul it up and rebuild a temple around it. And the "religion of peace" folks would be apoplectic.
84 posted on 06/21/2003 5:54:24 PM PDT by razorbak
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To: John H K
"Slight problem; there's no "fossilized boat" on Mt. Ararat"

I believe it is the case based on what i have seen.

petrified wood would probably be a better term. anyone who has seen petrified wood will recongnize that samples from the "thing" on Mt. Ararat are petrified wood.

hey, i want one of those magic wands where i can wave it and say a sentence like, " there's no "fossilized boat" on Mt. Ararat" and people will believe me.
85 posted on 06/21/2003 5:55:10 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: mware
"So let it be written, so let it be done."


86 posted on 06/21/2003 5:55:12 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: UnklGene
"Pharaoh's chariots found in the Red Sea?"

When Mayor Bloomberg hears of this
he'll have them ticketed and towed.
87 posted on 06/21/2003 5:56:31 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: UnklGene
"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab"

I've done that too, and the guy in the turban said:
"Going off duty, can't take you to JFK tonight"

88 posted on 06/21/2003 5:58:42 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: rwfromkansas
You have not (IMHO) read the the text with an open mind. It says that these are the generations of Man (Adam), in the day that God created him (them). It is very simple. The sixth day is where we live and breathe, and from our perspective, it is not over.

You do not have to like the idea, but you might want to consider it. That way you will not come across as a complete fool who is willfully ignorant.

An omniscient God would likely be able to view events in time from any angle. I think so.

89 posted on 06/21/2003 6:03:09 PM PDT by Radix (Page 15! Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: rwfromkansas; Radix
Well, there is an interesting theory (held by only a few, but those few tend to be bible scholars who take their Hebrew seriously) that Genesis describes the recreation of the earth (yeah, it sounds wacked). Here is the basis for the concept.

The 1st verse of Genesis is a stand alone: "In the beginning God created (barah) the heaven and the earth." That's it.

2nd verse: "And the earth became without form, and void (tohu bohu); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Note that here it is translated "became" instead of "was". Which is very interesting. Why?

The explanation I have heard is that between the 1st and 2nd verse occurred the "war in heaven" where Satan was cast down, etc. In which case, what happens when God deals with the earth is that earth was destroyed (became without form and void) in that war. In which case, God effectively does a "system reboot" and a "system recovery" (obviously from his good reality backup archives). Which takes 6 days (however you want to specify the length of the days.) Sounds flakey, right? But here is the benefit of this variant interpretation:

1st, there is no problem whatsoever with the age of the universe, dinosaurs, or anything else. It all happened (generally) as explained by science (although, like I said, I don't buy the "theory" of evolution per se as it exists now.)

2nd, since God is doing a system reboot, he "recovers" the damage from the war of heaven. The description can be somewhat figurative ("the face of the waters" doesn't have to mean 'water' water), but he doesn't have to recover everything in the same original order (thus he has "light" before the stars, sun, moon).

3rd, no problem with the creation of Adam. He wants to create Adam, he uses existing DNA stock and modifies it. No conflict with fossil record, etc.

And so on. See the neat thing is, this account does not have any conflict whatsoever with our understanding of geology, archeology, history, physics, or anything else. Plus it provides both an explanation for and a timeframe for the "war in heaven" to have occurred.

The funny thing is, a scientist will not, strictly speaking, have any problem with this account (because there is no scientific basis for judging it, either for or against.) But plenty of Christians will complain about it for various sectarian reasons.

90 posted on 06/21/2003 6:16:59 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: blam
Blam, that is not quite correct. The area that is pinpointed by Cornuke and Williams in The Gold of Exodus is at the Strait of Tiran which is further south of the Nuweiba beach area.
91 posted on 06/21/2003 6:18:53 PM PDT by Sinbad
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To: Sinbad
"The area that is pinpointed by Cornuke and Williams in The Gold of Exodus is at the Strait of Tiran which is further south of the Nuweiba beach area."

Thanks. It's been a while since I've read the book....and, then there's my memory.

92 posted on 06/21/2003 6:44:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: dark_lord
Ok, maybe I did jumped the gun. Explain what you meant by "disprovable theory specification"?
93 posted on 06/21/2003 6:53:32 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Buggman

94 posted on 06/21/2003 7:08:02 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
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To: AmericaUnited
A theory can be considered to be a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena. But a good scientific theory must be stated in a way such that it can be disproved. Thus, good theories are succinct , short, clear, and to the point. ­

Other useful attributes of good theories:
(1) Good theories make predictions about things yet to be observed. Confirmation of predictions strengthens belief in the theory. It must be possible to determine unambiguously that a prediction is false.
(2) If two theories are equally successful in explaining a set of phenomena and predicting new observations, scientists generally prefer the simpler theory that postulates the smaller number of explanatory concepts or simpler concepts.
(3) In general, scientific observation implies the capacity to measure things. If you can't measure it, it's not real! If you can't measure it, you can't study it scientifically.

The "theory" of evolution as it exists today flunks all of the above criteria. What does it usefully predict? Is it simple? Can you measure stuff with it? No. So, while the "theory" of evolution is technically a theory (by dictionary definition), it is a pretty crappy one. It depends upon our knowledge of genetics for inheritance of characteristics...but provides no observable mechanism for the evolution of new species. Yes, it says that an "accumulation of mutations" can do the trick. Maybe. We know this works at the level of viruses. But not higher level organisms. Yes, insects can "evolve" in the sense that a species can become resistant to insecticides (because most of them die off and only the ones with the resistant genes have offspring) but this has not been shown to lead to new species. And so on.

My personal belief is that "evolution" may have occurred, but that it is/was guided evolution. That we live in a n dimensional universe where n = 10 or 11, not 3. And that our "structures" are therefore 10 or 11 dimensional. And that the guidance occurs from those other dimensions that we cannot perceive with our 5 senses. But that is just my belief and of course, not a theory.

95 posted on 06/21/2003 7:18:24 PM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: ALS

What's this? Some kind on new SIM game?

96 posted on 06/21/2003 8:09:29 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: yankeedame
no, but that's a great idea.

©opyright bump
97 posted on 06/21/2003 8:11:59 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
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To: Radix
Would you, could you rationally argue that an omnipotent being would not be capable of creating a World fully formed and mature?

How does this differ from Last Thursdayism? How do you decide which is correct?

98 posted on 06/21/2003 8:45:26 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: John H K
Oh, I don't know, the tens of thousands of fossils with clear transitions from species to species in universities and colleges all over the world?

Jeez, in a year of paleontology courses, most of the fundamental transitional forms were represented by dotted lines. They still are. Hypothetical ancestral stocks abound, but most species appear in the fossil record fully developed, even in the midst of an adaptive radiation, with a dearth of transitional forms.

The more you know, the shakier it gets, especially outside of any particular Genus. The chief factor involved at that level is the taxonomic (morphological) definition of a species, based upon fragmented skeletal (or other hard-part remains), not interbreeding viability (used with non-extinct organisms).

I also have problems with the way evolution is taught, especially when it is taught as occuring as a result of the will of individual members of a species causing morphological changes which are passed on genetically to descendants.

The entire theory depends on a genetic crapshoot in which the losers do not get to breed, causing changes in the gene pool, but rarely, (if ever) giving rise to viable, mutated offspring which will affect the genetic component of subsequent generations.

These would have to form a population of viable (capable of producing their own breeding offspring), mutated offspring in order to be a separate (new) species, and yet be a group which would be incapable of breeding with the members of the 'ancestral' species and producing viable offspring.

I am a scientist, and I remain unconvinced.

99 posted on 06/21/2003 9:01:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: rmmcdaniell
For freaking crying out loud, these type of people continue to ignore the reality of evolution even with the gargantuan quantity of evidence supporting it.

What evidence?

Even evolutionists agree that there is no evidence in the fossil record to support evolution. Rather it supports special creation.

100 posted on 06/21/2003 9:08:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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