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Flag Flap Pits God Versus Country
WTAE TV Pittsburgh ^ | 06/20/03 | WTAE TV staff

Posted on 06/20/2003 2:40:34 AM PDT by prisoner6

Flag Flap Pits God Versus Country

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There's a flap over a flag in Westmoreland County. Folks there are up in arms because a popular beverage company is flying a Christian flag above the American flag. United States code states the American flag always comes first on the flag pole.

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Greg Podlucky, the owner of the Le-Nature's beverage company, has been flying the flag for months now, irritating some residents.

"Nothing flies above the American flag," said veteran Dick Johnston. "But this guy just don't want to cooperate with us."

"In my estimation, it's a contempt for the city of Latrobe and contempt for any citizen," said Steve Semnisky. "He's doing it and he knows that it's not right and why he won't change it.I have no idea. It's sad."

According to title four of the U.S. code, no flag or pennant can be flown above the U.S. flag. But there are two exceptions.

The church pennant can be flown above the American flag, but only during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea.

And the United Nations (news - web sites) flag can be flown above Old Glory at the UN headquarters in New York.

If someone violates the code, the flag federation says there are no penalties. It was simply adopted back in 1942 as a guideline of how to hang the stars and stripes.

The American Legion has tried to convince Podlucky to switch the flags, but Podlucky reportedly said it's "God over country."

"That's a fine statement to make," Seminsky said. "But that gives no one the right to fly the flag above the United States flag."

Semnisky said he and his family now plan to boycott Le-Nature's, and many others in Latrobe have said they'll do the same.

Podlucky returned WTAE's calls for comment Thursday. He said the inspiration for the flag flying was initiated by a bible distributed by President Roosevelt right before World War II. He said in that bible, there's a picture of the U.S. flag being flown under the Christian flag.

Podlucky also added that he in no way meant to offend anyone


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bible; christian; country; flag; god; latrobe; veterans
Wouldn't want to have an interest in Le-Nature's. Wotta boob!

prisoner6

1 posted on 06/20/2003 2:40:34 AM PDT by prisoner6
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To: prisoner6
God comes first. Idiots. I am all for patriotism but God is the author of Our Independence and the protector of our Freedoms. People really need to go back and reread the Declaration Of Independence. Blessed Be The True Judge.
2 posted on 06/20/2003 3:05:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I disagree. Nothing flys above the American flag. Wouldn't you object if a Hebrew, Bhuddist or Muslam flag were flown above Old Glory?

prisoner6

3 posted on 06/20/2003 3:09:37 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6
Not at all. Glory be to God the Highest. Don't forget to study our national anthem.
4 posted on 06/20/2003 3:11:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
OK, how about a Wiccan flag?

I suppose we just disagree. That's what makes a horse race.

prisoner6

5 posted on 06/20/2003 3:18:39 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6; Prof Engineer
The point is not whether country comes before G-d in this case. Rather, the offense is in etiquette. If there are rules governing flag etiquette, then there should also be enforced consequences for not following them.

Conversely, if this man wants to fly the church flag above the national emlbem, he can so long as he is holding religious services at sea ;)
6 posted on 06/20/2003 3:46:05 AM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: msdrby
If there are rules governing flag etiquette, then there should also be enforced consequences for not following them.

Yup. On several similar threads over the years I have tried - unsuccessfully - to argue that the code is a set of "suggestions" as opposed to rules. There is no punishment for not following the code, as far as I know.

To that end I suppose a point could be made that if there is no punishment, the "violation" is so minor it's not worth getting all knotted up about.

Still, try telling someone it's OK to fly the flag overnight without illumination as was done when the National Anthem was penned!

prisoner6

7 posted on 06/20/2003 4:19:33 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6
The solution is obvious. Simply fly only the Christian flag. Take down the American flag. Then there is no violation.
8 posted on 06/20/2003 4:41:54 AM PDT by FLAUSA
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To: FLAUSA
Works for me.

In a way that's why I called the guy a boob. He's defying the code, ignoring ettiquette and tradiion, and generally wearing his religion on his shirtsleave.

prisoner6

9 posted on 06/20/2003 4:52:26 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6
This is a private property issue.

As far as I'm concerned, this guy can fly the Disney Mickey Mouse Flag above the US Flag as long as it's on his own private property. (Or the Wiccan Flag....I don't care.)

Then, because he's stupid, he gets to live with the consequences.
10 posted on 06/20/2003 5:28:01 AM PDT by HatSteel
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To: prisoner6
My suggestion - two flagpoles.
11 posted on 06/20/2003 5:32:12 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: prisoner6

Yup. On several similar threads over the years I have tried - unsuccessfully - to argue that the code is a set of "suggestions" as opposed to rules. There is no punishment for not following the code, as far as I know.

To that end I suppose a point could be made that if there is no punishment, the "violation" is so minor it's not worth getting all knotted up about.

Still, try telling someone it's OK to fly the flag overnight without illumination as was done when the National Anthem was penned!

Yeah, it appears to me that it has been reduced to no more than a tradition or good manners; like taking your hat off in a galley in respect for the dead, or not walking on the grass, wearing your "Sunday best" to church (not so important it seems these days), eating with your mouth closed, saying yes sir/no sir or yes ma'am/no ma'am to those you respect.

It is, afterall, all about respect.

12 posted on 06/20/2003 6:14:02 AM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: prisoner6
link to Le Nature's web site.
13 posted on 06/20/2003 6:19:59 AM PDT by berserker
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To: prisoner6; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices
The American Legion has tried to convince Podlucky to switch the flags, but Podlucky reportedly said it's "God over country." "That's a fine statement to make," Seminsky said. "But that gives no one the right to fly the flag above the United States flag."

That's right Mr. Seminsky!! Heaven forbid we let people start thinking God Almighty is more important than these United States. Why you'd have chaos in the streets!! People praying, going to church, and worst of all, maybe even a few starting to question government practices and government officials. Instead of a subservient loyalty to a symbol instead of the document the symbol used to represent. And we can't have that Mr. Seminsky, can we?

14 posted on 06/20/2003 6:29:48 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: prisoner6
"If someone violates the code, the flag federation says there are no penalties. It was simply adopted back in 1942 as a guideline of how to hang the stars and stripes. "

So, there is no penalty. Then there is no law. This is a non-issue, IMO, although I believe any commercial enterprise that flouts such codes is being rather foolish.
15 posted on 06/20/2003 8:53:06 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: prisoner6
Christians uber alles.

At least he admits it.
16 posted on 06/20/2003 2:08:51 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: All
There are many questions that pop into my head. Should we submit to the authorities? Would this be an example of not standing up for God? This country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs and is One Nation Under God. This is how I responded with my talent in website design. I created an animated Christian flag flying above the United States flag. I mean no disrespect to my country, but I want everyone to know that God comes first in my life. One Nation Under God!

The image:
http://www.holyhacker.com/images/one_nation_under_God2.gif

Alternate representations FREE for you to download:
http://www.holyhacker.com/one_nation_under_God.htm

The story behind the creation of such an image:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/2282798/detail.html
17 posted on 07/02/2003 1:29:57 PM PDT by HolyHacker (Acts 13:47)
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