Sarah defies Saudi thugs, won't leave without kids!

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, June 20, 2003 | Pat Roush

[cinFLA]

Thank you. Now will you apologize for

1) Contradicting my post by stating "Of course they're US citizens".

2) For posting that I was wrong to state that foreign born children of American citizens are not automatically US citizens (especially as in this case where one parent is not a US citizen.)

[cinFLA]

Thank you. Now will you apologize for

1) Contradicting my post by stating "Of course they're US citizens".

2) For posting that I was wrong to state that foreign born children of American citizens are not automatically US citizens (especially as in this case where one parent is not a US citizen.)

[Ready4Freddy]

Get a grip.

[cinFLA]

Get a grip.

Get some education.

[SarahW]

If Bush fails to bring this woman home with her children, he's lost my support. The end.

[SarahW]

Yes, they are American citizens.

[SarahW]

Yes.

[Ready4Freddy]

"Thank you."

Thanking me for posting the part of the CCA2K that indicates that 'temporary' does indeed cut it, contrary to your assertions?

"Now will you apologize for

1) Contradicting my post by stating "Of course they're US citizens"."

Why no mention of my statement "The above being subject to their presence in the US, of course....?

2) For posting that I was wrong to state that foreign born children of American citizens are not automatically US citizens (especially as in this case where one parent is not a US citizen.)

You didn't say that.

"Get some education."

Hey, you had your chance to 'splain it to us, but you chose to remain a richard cranium.

In reality, neither of us have enough info to determine their citizenship.

[cinFLA]

In reality, neither of us have enough info to determine their citizenship.

I said they are not US citizens. You, an immigration attorney said:

'Of course they're US citizens'

You started it with that declaration. Now you are not man enough to admit you were wrong.

[cinFLA]

Let's put the whole post that you are defending up. Not just the line about the 'presence'. Are you saying this was correct? I hope not since you have admitted that the child must first come back to the US legally before the age of 18.

'Of course they're American citizens. Any child born to an American Citizen has citizenship rights. They'll have all the rights of a citizen until they reach the age of 18, when they have to make a choice.


The above being subject to their presence in the US, of course...."

[cinFLA]

Let us refresh the memory:

(you) There are exceptions, of course, as to whether or not the children acquire US citizenship at birth.

(me) And the exception is that one is not born in the US.

(you) Not true, cinFLA.

As I asked before, what is NOT TRUE in my post?

[cinFLA]

Yes, they are American citizens.

No they are not. Ask Freddy, the immigration lawyer.

[cinFLA]

Hey, you had your chance to 'splain it to us, but you chose to remain a richard cranium.

You're the immigration lawyer. Why should I have to explain it to you.

[SarahW]

Yes they are. At present they are residing on US soil. Mom is an American citizen, and was kidnapped, and conceived as a result of forced intercourse and held against her will while pregnant.

Saudis should be estopped from claiming them as citizens and the US needs to bring her and her children home.

[happygrl]

You're hung up on fatherhood issues.

That's not what this is about. It's about human rights, the same rights you and I have to pursue the right to happiness. That daughter still has rights as an American citizen, which she wants to exercise. There is no comparison of the medieval state of Saudi Arabia and the Constitutional Republic of the US.

Why are you such an apologist for a country which is notorious for its discrimination and subjugation of women ? Why should not these childrren have the same opportunities for freedom that so many advocated for Elian Gonzalez, especially as they have a legal right to them due to the lack of rights in marriage, in freedom to travel, the freedom to work out her destiny as an American citizen which was denied to their mother?

[Spirited]

"If Bush fails to bring this woman home with her children, he's lost my support."

Amazing the number of women who are adamant about this, too.

For me it is a matter of the State Department being the disaster of the century and I figure the "buck" stops at W's desk on that.

I see this as hard evidence of the loss of rights first listed in the Constitution and now denied by the W State Department. This is just the kind of thing which will not go over with "flyover country" which W needs desperately.

[expatguy]

Sara Saga is only of the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who have had to experience this same problem in Muslim countries.

[expatguy]

YAK, YAK, DON'T RUN SARAH, WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS!!

[capitan_refugio]

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA, provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

By this standard, the children of Sarah are not automatically citizens. However, in that her presence in Saudi Arabia is due to a parent/kidnap situation, the INS (or successor agency) may have some latitude in making a determination.

[BagCamAddict]

Amazing the number of women who are adamant about this, too.

What's more amazing and disgusting is the number of Men who are adamant that the US should do nothing to help American women in these circumstances because "the bitches wanted to marry the Arab bastards, now they GOT 'em!" And that is a direct quote from another Freeper... and several other Freepers agreed with him.

Women are still second-class citizens right here in the UNITED STATES, so it's no wonder there isn't more of an uproar to protect/rescue American women who marry foreigners and find themselves in hostage situations.