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Sarah defies Saudi thugs, won't leave without kids!
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, June 20, 2003 | Pat Roush

Posted on 06/19/2003 11:45:45 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

On the eve of her 24th birthday, Sarah Saga, the courageous, young woman who has sought sanctuary inside the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia for the past five days, was brought face-to-face with members of the Saudi government inside her living quarters. She was not given the choice of refusing these uninvited guests, but told by U.S. consular officers that she must comply with Saudi demands for a meeting.

As Sarah and her two young children huddled in a corner of the room, three Saudi men from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs approached her. She had grown up in a household with an abusive Saudi father who had beaten her on a regular basis, threatened her with a knife, and locked her up in a room for two years as revealed to me in an audiotaped interview a few weeks ago. Now, her worst nightmare was coming true – Saudi men again intimating her and scaring her right inside the U.S. Consulate and in her own bedroom.

One of them said, "Let us tell you what your problem is – but your option is only one." The nervous, frightened woman signed the document placed before her and then the men left. The arrangements had been made. Sarah was to be placed on a commercial airliner at 2 a.m. this morning and her children were to be given to relatives. The Saudis wanted to end this "hostage situation" and get back to their PR campaign in the U.S.

But Sarah has decided that she won't go. "I will never leave my children here to suffer the same horrible life that I had to endure," she tells a Fox News audience. She has locked herself inside her room and keeps her little ones close by.

A couple of days ago, Sarah told her mom that she had a piece of chocolate cake at the consulate cafeteria. "I told Sarah we'll have a big chocolate cake for her birthday when she comes home. That was her favorite."

Birthdays aren't celebrated in Saudi Arabia. They consider it a Western holiday. When I met my daughters in a hotel room in Riyadh eight years ago, Aisha didn't even know her correct age. I brought Alia a "Sweet Sixteen" birthday card as a present, but she was perplexed by it all.

This will be the first birthday in eighteen years that Sarah Saga will celebrate. Although she may be alone in a room in the U.S. Consulate with danger all around her, she can have her chocolate cake with her kids and we can each light one candle for Sarah and pray for her safe return.


Fox News has posted addresses of U.S. officials that can be contacted to express support for Saga in her quest for freedom for both herself and her children.




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To: Graymatter
Meanwhile the Saudis should be told to surrender all unwilling American citizens pronto.

But if they are under Saudi law considered Saudi citizens? Can the US invade Saudi and take out what to Saudis are their citizens?

141 posted on 06/21/2003 6:12:09 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: BagCamAddict
And I did read the thread ---at least much of it:

"Sara's mom married a Saudi. When they divorced, she visited her dad in Saudi Arabia. One visit, he simply stopped her from leaving, forcibly converted her to Islam, and married her off, where her children came from. Now that she is a Saudi wife, she has no rights to speak of and is not considered an American citizen by that country any longer." From an earlier post -----this makes it seem that according to Saudi law, the father gets custody, his children are Saudi citizens. That would make her just as much a Saudi as she is an American. According to Saudi law, she probably isn't even considered to be an American ---which they would consider her if she had two American parents.
142 posted on 06/21/2003 6:20:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: najida
What does she say about women traveling to Turkey? Most of the guidebooks seem to say it's safe for American women, even young ones, but I have to say I have my doubts.
143 posted on 06/21/2003 6:20:26 PM PDT by LPStar
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To: FITZ
Actually, I've read elsewhere that the visit to Dad took place in the US, he hopped on a plane to Saudi w/ 6 yo Sarah and hasn't returned. In any case, it appears to run counter to court ordered custody arrangements in the US.
144 posted on 06/21/2003 6:27:11 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy
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To: Ready4Freddy
It sounds like under American law the mother might have had custody but under Saudi law the father did. Is a Saudi citizen --which the father is obligated to follow American laws even in his own country? I think it's very important in international marriages, that someone consider these laws and better yet they keep their marriages to those countries which have custody agreements with the US so they or their children don't become victims of this kind of thing.
145 posted on 06/21/2003 6:36:42 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: VOA
Make sure your DAUGHTER AND SONS watch the movie "Not Without My Daughter" at least once before they hit puberty.

Good advice. Child custody battles aren't a duty of the American government, not many of us want to send our own sons and daughters into danger or war over these matters or see Arabs killed on Arab soil. Janet Reno actually did get the federal government involved in a couple of child custody battles and it became a big mistake with children being burned up.

146 posted on 06/21/2003 6:43:44 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
sara is an adult woman who has made a choice to live elsewhere....

and seeing how she herself had been kidnapped and kept in Saudi by her bio father....one can see how she doesn't want that sort of life for HER children....

I personally don't think middle eastern men are capable of loving dtrs or females in general, so any female children should be allowed to go no matter what....

maybe that's the ticket....all male children of half Saudi children can stay, but all females allowed to leave with their mothers.....since females are not valued .....there shouldn't be any opposition.....

147 posted on 06/21/2003 6:56:08 PM PDT by cherry
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To: FITZ
gee...do moms have any rights anymore?

I suppose if this was an American father wanting to take his children back from Saudi under the same circumstances you would be all in favor....

besides...you keep forgetting....she was kidnapped, kept in Saudi, forced to become Islamic, and arranged to be married off.....where does this "choice" come from?

148 posted on 06/21/2003 7:01:07 PM PDT by cherry
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To: CobaltBlue
"I have no idea whether she is correct, but there certainly is a nationalistic bias going on here. I have heard that Germany is about as bad."

Germany is as bad...

we have a case here where the ex decided to take his "boys" to Germany with him, where he married a German woman....he rarely allows the boys to talk with their real mother....

the guy was arrested here when he came but soon made it out of jail for some reason, because our govt is loathe to enforce child custody especially since the "boys" were in Germany and there was no legal way to bring them back...

the father used the excuse to take "his boys" because he claimed mom was a bad mother.(don't they all claim that) except it did't really ring true, since he left one younger son to stay with the real mom.....guess he wasn't too worried after all ...

imagine being swiped away from both your mom, your little brother, all the relatives that you have ever known to go live in Germany?.......

someday, there will be hell to pay for this action....

149 posted on 06/21/2003 7:08:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
I suppose if this was an American father wanting to take his children back from Saudi under the same circumstances you would be all in favor....

Show me where I posted that ---you MUST have be confused with someone else.

150 posted on 06/21/2003 7:13:58 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: cherry
gee...do moms have any rights anymore?>

Both parents have rights in a child custody dispute. Obviously when people choose to marry citizens of other countries, things become a little more involved because the non-US-citizen is still protected by their own laws and their own government ---- would you like to see the Saudi government sending soldiers to kill Americans on US soil who they believed were holding a Saudi child? Do we want to see Americans going over to Saudi Arabia and killing Saudis trying to hold onto what they believe is their Saudi citizen child?

I remember a few times when the US federal government did get involved in child custody disputes. A US senator decided to get involved in one at Jonestown ---those people were living on foreign soil, it ended up a disaster. Waco was in part a child custody dispute, the children were burned by Janet Reno, then she got involved in the custody dispute over Elian...another disaster. I guess we should try it again, send our federal agents into Saudi and "rescue" all who claim to be US citizens even if we have to kill their fathers, grandparents, aunts and uncles who may not easily let them go.

151 posted on 06/21/2003 7:20:00 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Courier
Bush is allowing Saudi agents to operate in an American Embassy.
  1. Consulate, not embassy.
  2. Do you really think Bush actively and knowingly "allowed" this to happen, that is, do you think that Bush was fully informed of the situation, given ample time to consider it and seek advice, told the default outcome, then chose to take no action?

152 posted on 06/21/2003 8:06:55 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Graymatter
I thank God for GWB every day, but if he doesn't do something for these women, I won't lift a finger for him on Election Day.

There's gratitude for ya. Maybe since you're unwilling to maintain this boon God has bestowed upon you, you should stop thanking him so profusely? He probably finds it annoying.

153 posted on 06/21/2003 8:08:23 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: SarahW
Yes they are.

Yeah, right.

154 posted on 06/21/2003 8:11:04 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: FITZ
"But if they are under Saudi law considered Saudi citizens?"

Why should the Saudi consideration prevail? We are talking about:
unwilling...American...citizens.

I thought only Jimmy Carter had a hard time with that. And this wouldn't take an invasion. A word from George Bush would suffice.
155 posted on 06/21/2003 10:47:48 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: FITZ
Nor will I answer your question, other than to say that Sara is an American citizen, and as such she is entitled to come home if she wants to, regardless of whether or not she is also a Saudi citizen. And if you still want/need the answer to your question, then do the freggin' research for yourself instead of expecting everyone else to spoon feed you the facts -- you seem to have no trouble posting your thoughts regardless of whether they are even relevant to the thread anyway, so why change now?
156 posted on 06/22/2003 12:05:41 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: LPStar
What she has said about Turkey (even just recently) is to travel in groups (at least with a friend) and DO NOT do anything remotely illegal. Don't carry a package, deliver a bag of something, run an errand for someone. Folks have landed in prison that way. And (according to her) female prisoners are expected to have sex with the guards.

She is in Cairo now, I can email her and as her more if you want. I do know that when she travels, she always goes with a male companion (son) who acts as her guardian/escort.
157 posted on 06/22/2003 7:46:32 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: cinFLA
Yes, Right. Anything else would be wrong.
158 posted on 06/22/2003 8:44:00 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: JohnHuang2
This shows what we are dealing with with Saudi Arabia. On the other hand, any American woman who marries a Saudi man or a man from another Muslim country is terminally stupid. That's something no government can outlaw.

But it's too bad for the snatched kids, who in many cases are raised as Americans and then yanked into a barbaric, pre-medieval culture.

159 posted on 06/22/2003 9:11:00 AM PDT by pttttt
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To: Caesar Soze
Yes.

I think Bush knows of every iota of issues to do with the Saudis. Especially those that last more then 12 hours.

Is there a diplomatic sovereignly issue between an Embassy and a Consulate?
160 posted on 06/22/2003 9:35:44 AM PDT by Courier (Quick: Name one good thing about the Saudis.)
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