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To: hocndoc
Suppose you stick to the facts as they are.

Ok. It is a fact that decisions are made every day which result in the death of already born human life. We know that a certain percentage of those who drive cars will die in accidents. If we were all forced to use mass transit, think of all the lives that would be saved - but no, we want that freedom. We know that a certain percentage of those who smoke cigaretts will die prematurely (over 1000 a day). That is an easy call for illegality but there is little chance for that because we want the freedom to indulge our appetites even at the risk of our health. We know that political differences which are settled by war will result in massive death but we have made the choice many times to endure that result to retain our freedom.

There is also the desire of some to retain the freedom to stop the process of reproduction well before there is emotional attachment to that potential human life and well before that potential human life has developed consciousness and well before that potential human life has the ability to function on its own. Why is that partially developed, potential human life more worthy of legal protection than the already born with a developed consciousness and emotional ties to others (like those in the above examples)? Note: The above examples are just a few of many instances where mature(?), conscious, functioning adult human beings do things which result in premature deaths; there are laws dealing with some of those things but a large number of those activities are still legal because we want the freedom to make those choices. Before you try to get into my family's reproductive decisions, first deal with those death producing decisions made by and for conscious and functioning human beings. But, if you are successful there, this will no longer be a free country.

332 posted on 06/21/2003 1:53:34 AM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
The inalienable rights of humans belong to individuals, even though they are enforced by societies and cultures.

Take each of your examples and weigh them in light of the right to life (the right not to be killed by someone else), the right to liberty (the right not to have your liberty restricted by someone else, unless you endanger the right to life of someone else), and the right to property (the right not to have your property taken away from you against your will - by force or fraud).

Abortion is the killing of a human by someone else before birth. Elective abortion means that the human killed without a medical reason.

Either all humans have their rights protected equally under law, or society and culture must discriminate between who may kill and who may be killed.

Can you defend your personal belief that prenatal humans are not human enough to have the same right to life that you do?
349 posted on 06/21/2003 11:16:56 AM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: Semper; hocndoc
332 - bttt semper

"Before you try to get into my family's reproductive decisions, first deal with those death producing decisions made by and for conscious and functioning human beings. But, if you are successful there, this will no longer be a free country."

Hocndoc, stay out of my bedroom, and out of my wife's body.

As a doctor, you can only go into my wife's body with her permission, as long as she is capable of making decisons.

stop trying to steal our freedom to support your beliefs.

366 posted on 06/21/2003 5:21:31 PM PDT by XBob
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