[hocndoc]

The inalienable rights of humans belong to individuals, even though they are enforced by societies and cultures.

Take each of your examples and weigh them in light of the right to life (the right not to be killed by someone else), the right to liberty (the right not to have your liberty restricted by someone else, unless you endanger the right to life of someone else), and the right to property (the right not to have your property taken away from you against your will - by force or fraud).

Abortion is the killing of a human by someone else before birth. Elective abortion means that the human killed without a medical reason.

Either all humans have their rights protected equally under law, or society and culture must discriminate between who may kill and who may be killed.

Can you defend your personal belief that prenatal humans are not human enough to have the same right to life that you do?

[XBob]

349 - "Either all humans have their rights protected equally under law, or society and culture must discriminate between who may kill and who may be killed. "

You better join the ALA (American Library Association) in assuring the 'rights' of exposure of our children to pornography and do away with all censorship, as even the rights of the youngest child is equal to rights of an adult.

Why do most deny such rights to children. And don't forget about having sex with children. They have that right, if it is as you argue.

[Semper]

Can you defend your personal belief that prenatal humans are not human enough to have the same right to life that you do?

"Prenatal humans" and I have the same right to life before birth and that is determined by our human parents. After human parents have delivered someone into this human environment, then there is an obvious right to continue. That is my personal belief and I know it is different than yours. The problem here is that you assume to have moral authority superior to mine and therefore you believe that you may decide personal family matters for me. That is wrong and clearly rejected by the majority in this country.

It is often a problem to make absolute moral conclusions regarding human circumstances where information and understanding is incomplete. If you want to do that for your own family, fine; but don't assume that your limited-knowledge moral/religious judgements aught to dictate my family's personal reproductive decisions. The point is not that we want to choose abortion; the point is that it is our choice not yours.

My personal belief: God produces Life. God's life is perfect and eternal, spiritual.

Human parents produce human life. Human life is imperfect and mortal, material.

There is a clear difference here.

I apply "sanctity of life" to God's spiritual life. You apply it to prenatal human life. We have a religious disagreement. Since we value religious freedom, your particular religious belief will not dictate my personal reporductive decisions.

Note: While you will not be successful in making personal reproductive decisions for others, you may indeed help the democrats win elections. Making this personal decision a political issue has helped the democrats win many elections they would have lost otherwise (see California). This may not have been your intention but it is a fact. Keep pushing this contentious religious belief into the political arena and you will keep loosing elections.