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To: DoughtyOne
If I may jump in here,
I don't believe in the death penalty as punishment, but as a way to prevent the death of others. I would only use the death penalty in the cases where the killer still threatens life, murders who were caught in the act or confess and who have proven that they can't be prevented from killing again (such as in the case of the Texas men who escaped from the Conolly prison and killed a policeman).

As to the reasearchers, I don't believe that they would be doing what they are doing and hope to do in cloning, if it were illegal. Most people are law abiding. Those who aren't should be locked away where they can't threaten human life, liberty or property.

We have dealt with the problem of recognizing human rights that were previously infringed upon, before in our country. No one was prosecuted for owning slaves before 1865.
291 posted on 06/20/2003 1:16:28 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: hocndoc; Diamond
I'm addressing this to the both of you as my final comment on this thread.  It's not my final post due to animosity, it's just that I have exhausted all that I want or feel I need to say on this subject.  You folks know where I stand and are welcome to interpret that as you will.

Your last comments were reasonable hocndoc.  As far as they go, I don't really see anything to object to.  If we were to discuss this further, I believe you would say that legislation should be passed that would make the penalties as stiff on researchers as on the mass murderer of a family or other group of people.  I don't.

I had hoped that this might bring home to some of you the absurdity (use another word if you like, inequity or whatever) of stating that a person who causes less than week-old human embryos outside the body to die, is the same as a person who kills adult humans, and as such should suffer the same penalties.

On a moral level, I do see killing the embryos as problematic.  I do not see it as warranting exposure to severe or lesseer civil penalties.  I obviously do see the killer of adult humans as deserving of severe civil penalties.

I have viewed the moral problems with this to be something that could be weighed against the benefits to other fetuses, infants children or adults.

This being said, for the last time, I do not support abortion, the terminating of life inside a host mother.  I only support the manipulation of human embryos outside of a womb at the earliest stages, a week or less.  In excess of seven days old, I also object to the manipulation of human embryos or cells outside of the womb.

I would welcome you to make a closing statement regarding these comments.  I won't be responding.

You folks take care.  I'll see you around.

292 posted on 06/20/2003 2:08:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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