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The Seventh-Day Adventist Church is a non violent religion, that urges it's members to abstain from military combat but serve as non-combatants. Seventh-Day Adventists serve as chaplains, medical corp members in and out of hot war zones and as test personel at a large well-known government run medical facility in Maryland. I can't think of the name right now. My brother served in that program.

It is said that Koresh was a cult leader. I would like to propose that the closed unit of the BATF that staged the operation on the fateful morning, was itself operating under a cult mentality. A more classic set of mistakes and failures has hardly been seen in US history.

Why would anyone attack a peaceful compound in the manner the BATF did? Was there a history of violence? Was there a segment of the community that was threatened? Did the local sheriff ask for help? It is beyond comprehension that the BATF decided that the best way to notify Koresh of their desires to inspect his home, was to show up in two or three cattle carriers in full battle gear.

A phone call to the local sheriff could have facilitated an arranged tour of the Koresh home. The sheriff knew Koresh. He also knew he wasn't a threat.

Instead of making arrangements to serve a warrant, the BATF blew in military style. If warranted this might be a fairly good battle plan. If not, it could just scare the bejesus out of the Davidians and make them panic. What would you do if you saw between thirty and sixty paramilitary people coming at you, then heard shots around back as they took out the family dogs?

Who will know exactly what set this in motion. All I know is this was the worst, most botched bunch of loonacy I've seen conducted on our soil, followed up closely by the Weaver incident.

I find it interesting what we're willing to do to our own citizens, but if you ask someone to halt illegal immigration, you're a meanie. We can't even stop immigration from the middle east temporarily. We have lost our will to survive, and the morality to treat our own citizens with respect.

All I know is this was the worst, most botched bunch of loonacy I've seen conducted on our soil, followed up closely by the Weaver incident.

I had heard about the Weaver incident before Waco.

Before that, there was the M.O.V.E. Standoff in Philly.

If these were isolated incidents, that would be one thing, but it seems these were part of a progression in apocalyptic behaviour on the part of Federal Agencies.

Add Gordon Kahl to the list, while you are at it. Protested taxes and farm policy, bushwhacked on the roadside near Medina, N. Dakota, hunted down and killed in Arkansas (the building was burned there, too). The case can be readily made, that like Koresh, Kahl could have been taken peacefully.

It seems these people are 'taken out' in grandstand fashion to make an example to keep the rest of the sheep bleating softly. Either they are hungry for press near budget time, or eager to frighten others into submission.

All I know is this was the worst, most botched bunch of loonacy I've seen conducted on our soil, followed up closely by the Weaver incident.

I had heard about the Weaver incident before Waco.

Before that, there was the M.O.V.E. Standoff in Philly.

If these were isolated incidents, that would be one thing, but it seems these were part of a progression in apocalyptic behaviour on the part of Federal Agencies.

Add Gordon Kahl to the list, while you are at it. Protested taxes and farm policy, bushwhacked on the roadside near Medina, N. Dakota, hunted down and killed in Arkansas (the building was burned there, too). The case can be readily made, that like Koresh, Kahl could have been taken peacefully.

It seems these people are 'taken out' in grandstand fashion to make an example to keep the rest of the sheep bleating softly. Either they are hungry for press near budget time, or eager to frighten others into submission.

You are really on your game on this thread Doughty, knock em dead brother.