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Windows XP downgrading to WIN2K experiences
06-18-03 | Dale Chiusano

Posted on 06/18/2003 5:07:23 AM PDT by dalec

After researching the Good the Bad and the Ugly about Windows XP and reading all the horror stories from users about the product activation, security holes, installation restrictions, Passport privacy violations etc I decided to blow away Windows XP off the two new state of the art Powerspec PCs that I just purchased from a large chain Computer OEM distributer and install WIN2K. The PCs were both working fine and but based on what I was reading I could see trouble ahead. Apparently Microsoft did not get the message even after 8 years of litigation with the Justice Dept. They have gone from bad to worse. Windows XP represents everything I can't stand about Microsoft. Windows 2K on the other hand still would allow me to control the PC the way I like to the most part, and reprentes the lesser of two evils.

My experiences performing this downgrade were very interesting. First, I could hardly even find a vendor willing to sell WIN2K to a private users. I found one for $175 and bought my own copy. I installed it over the XP blowing that bloated operating system away and now I was back in business. At least I thought so. Problems mounted. First the video drivers didn't work and I had to run back to the computer store to get the WIN2K drivers. Then the Zip drive didn't work with the USB port and neither IOMEGA nor the store could figure how to get it to work. I gave up and had the store install an internal IOMEGA disk drive. That worked fine. Next, I tried to get connected to the Internet and found the Modem which worked with XP didn't with WIN2K. I went back to the computer store and got the so called WIN2K drivers, tried them out that evening and they didn't work. I replaced the internal modems with external U.S. Robotics modems reinstalled the harware using the existing drivers supplied with WIN2K and it worked. Finally, the Internet software supplied by Earthlink called Total Access 2003 didn't work with WIN2K and I had to created a manual dial up connection. Finally, after two weeks of hassle I was up and running on Windows 2000. Its worth it in the long run rather than sticking with Windows XP and being hostage to Microsoft's insane software policies

I wonder if any users out there have had similar experiences downgrading from WINDOWS XP to Windows 2000


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To: New Horizon
This is Microsoft propaganda, word for word
61 posted on 06/18/2003 6:33:29 AM PDT by dalec
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To: dalec
In my experience, XP is the far better OS - coming up on 2 years of running it at home and I have NEVER experienced the BSOD. HOWEVER, the laptop I got from work, that has the "Designed for Microsoft Windows XP" sticker on it - is actually running on Win 2k. That is because the IT folks where I work, well, I will not go into my opinion of them; but they insisted on installing Win 2K and getting rid of XP.

How does it work? Gee, I average about 1 BSOD a week.

Everyone that I talk to has nothing but praise for XP - and agrees with me that it is the most stable Windows OS ever. Well, except for the Linux crowd - but they are nuts anyway.
62 posted on 06/18/2003 6:33:49 AM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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To: drc43
Sorry for the mistake, I meant to respond to New Horizon
63 posted on 06/18/2003 6:34:23 AM PDT by dalec
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To: Da Du
Do you expect third party providers to continue to support and older OS (?) or do you think they will devote their resources to the current one? If you are prepared to support the system yourself, then so be it.

I'm sticking to NT 4.0, since I don't use it for gaming or other nonsense. I watch TV on the TV, play music on the stereo, pop popcorn on the stove, and develop software on the computer. If Microsoft would quit playing "new OS this month" and refine whatever they now have I would upgrade. I just don't see any reason to buy the new one just because it was released. There has yet to be a feature wotrh the upgrade expense.

64 posted on 06/18/2003 6:35:17 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: dalec
I tried XP and loved it, that is until I got a GeForce 3 that XP refused to run the drivers for. I tried everything I could think of and every bit of advice I could find to no avail. After fighting for a week I reformatted and installed 2K and life has been good ever since.
65 posted on 06/18/2003 6:40:34 AM PDT by Manic_Episode
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To: dalec
I'm a big Win2K fan and run and maintain dozens of workstations, laptops and servers at our office.

Compared to other MS operating systems, it's nearly bulletproof.

It is hard to find shrink wrapped copies on retail shelves. CDW and other mail order houses still sell shrink wrapped copies. You can also buy or use your existing XP license number to register an installation of Win2K. (of course she need to borrow someone else's CD).

We use Iomega Zips here and it is critical to go to Iomega's site and download the specific drivers and programs for Win2K.

We have admin types here who leave W2K running for months at a time without restarting.
66 posted on 06/18/2003 6:42:27 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: dalec
XP is just a better version of 2000. Same kernel with better security and compatibility. I think you wasted your time and money.
67 posted on 06/18/2003 6:45:23 AM PDT by wesdale
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To: goldstategop
>Today you have YOUR choice of user friendly Linux desktop
>distros: Lindows, Xandros, ElxLinux, Mandrake, Lycoris...
>the possibilities are limitless! Why do you have to stick
>with ol' crashing Windows? ;-)

I ran Linux (Red Hat) exclusively for 5 years. Both on the desktop and server. I used WindowMaker as my window manager.

Linux is great, however, I had to move to Windows (2K).

Why?

Linux simply does not have a stable web browser that will run several java applets simultaneously, macromedia, audio/video plug-ins, etc.

If I had $1 for every time I had to ps -a | grep -i netscape, kill -9 [netscape process], I would be a very wealthy man. Netscape/Mozilla on Linux doesn't cut it stability-wise. Yes, there is Opera and Konquerer, but I work with alot of media rich, plug-in laided, java-oriented broweser apps.

These days, for many people, the browser is the operating system. The OS is becoming irrelevant, they just fire up the browser as soon as they turn the computer on. Linux does not have a *truly* stable browser, and thus for many people is much less stable than Windows.

It's the best server in the world, and I miss the free tools (C compiler, etc) - but until something even remotely similar in function and stability to IE for Windows is released ... it is not a viable desktop, IMHO.

68 posted on 06/18/2003 6:47:58 AM PDT by Stu Cohen
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To: dalec
If you think XP is bad, wait till they come out with Longhorn and Palladium. XP was just a taste of what's to come... total control of your PC.
69 posted on 06/18/2003 6:49:24 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: wesdale
"XP is just a better version of 2000. Same kernel with better security and compatibility. I think you wasted your time and money.

You are kidding right? XP is without a doubt the most unsecure and anti-consumer privacy OS MS has ever produced. Not to mention the fact that if your HD goes down, you need to reformat for any reason or you change some hardware a few times MS requires you to get another auth. number from them before your system will even run again. Nothing like removing a virus from your system and getting the ole freeze up until you contact MS for another Auth. number.

Oh and lets not forget the older dos based programs that refuse to even run on XP. And before you "MS is G*D" types say some assinine statement like "Well they should upgrade their programs then", why don't you pay for the retraining and the new program expense associated with such a move.

70 posted on 06/18/2003 7:03:17 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: GingisK
There has yet to be a feature wotrh the upgrade expense.

Perhaps you don't need reliable TCP/IP communications in your SW development, or else you would KNOW that Win2K's TCP/IP stack is light years ahead of NT's. There are many other features that you would NEED as a SW developer (depending on the platform your SW runs on at the customer sites). Perhaps there are other reasons you don't want to switch to Win2K?

I've done them all as well. Win2K is much more stable than NT.

71 posted on 06/18/2003 7:07:37 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (Education starts in the home. Education stops in the public schools)
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To: dalec
Wrong. It's experience. BTW - I run other OSs on different systems (RedHat, Mac OS X) as well.

If something works, I use it. I'd drop MS in a heartbeat if it didn't perform well.

72 posted on 06/18/2003 7:15:40 AM PDT by New Horizon
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To: dalec
It would have been much easier to buy a pre-configured computer with Windows 2000 from a mail order company. Most online vendors like Dell or Gateway allow you to specify Windows 2000 as the operating system instead of Windows XP. Not only would the computer come pre-installed with the operation system you prefer, it would be supported by the manufacturer's tech support with that operating system.

Upgrading Windows over an existing installation is difficult enough. Downgrading is trickier, because there is almost no support. You better be sure all the critical new components on your system have drivers. If you are going to downgrade, you should first backup the factory installation; then you should make a clean install preferably with the option to reformat the hard drive first.

I really don't understand why you wanted to downgrade. Check the date on the complaints about bugs. Windows XP has been out for well over a year, and most of the bugs you have heard about have been fixed by service packs and patches that can be automatically or semi-automatically installed across the internet using the Windows Update option on the Start menu. I would not recommend Windows XP as an upgrade to an existing computer unless it has at least a 1 Ghz processor. It is after all a resource hog (and slow) compared to Windows 2000. Windows 2000 gives acceptable performance with older computers with 333 Mhz - 1 Ghz processors. In 2003, it's pretty hard to buy a new Intel based PC with a processor too slow for good performance with XP.

73 posted on 06/18/2003 7:18:08 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: JustAnAmerican
What older DOS program hasn't been replaced by some form of Freeware that runs on Windows?

Microsoft is in this to make money...shocking as it sounds but that's life. They probably stick with the old Spock saying:

'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'.

I don't think that MS is God, but they have produced many products that millions all over the world use everyday.
74 posted on 06/18/2003 7:24:24 AM PDT by KKing
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To: dalec
Don't know if you know it or not, but unless MS changed the licensing agreement, if you install SP3 it authorizes them administrative control over your computer. Many businesses across the country have refused to download the security patches because of that.
75 posted on 06/18/2003 7:24:31 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: dalec
Download Security Updates for Hours
76 posted on 06/18/2003 7:27:34 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: New Horizon
So if XP Home Edition is such a POS, why does MS sell it?
77 posted on 06/18/2003 7:31:51 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Redbob
Why did Ford ever sell the Pinto?

Hint: cuz people bought them.
78 posted on 06/18/2003 7:34:50 AM PDT by KKing
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To: dalec
I just had a gaming PC built and they offered to put XP on it but I told them to leave the origioanl system (95) on it. It's fairly stable and I didn't need all the trouble of upgrading my games. I also had them install Linux Mandrake on my other hard drive.
79 posted on 06/18/2003 7:34:54 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Da Du
All good points Da Du

I have been using an XP for about two years. No real trouble. I also have two ME I use, also very little trouble.

80 posted on 06/18/2003 7:37:36 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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